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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #137595
11/19/11 04:03 PM
11/19/11 04:03 PM
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My favorite version of the Bible is the KJV. I believe it is the most reliable and accurate. Where it falls short, the SOP explains why and how to get around it. I'm not opposed to other translations so long as they agree with the KJV. When they dilute or contradict it, I go with the KJV.

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Mountain Man] #137596
11/19/11 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
My favorite version of the Bible is the KJV. I believe it is the most reliable and accurate. Where it falls short, the SOP explains why and how to get around it. I'm not opposed to other translations so long as they agree with the KJV. When they dilute or contradict it, I go with the KJV.
I fully agree with the above. However, I think it is also good to know why the KJV is superior. Mrs. White talks about it herself in referring to the Waldensees having preserved a pure form of the scriptures. The RC church tampered with the sacred words--in their original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. All modern translations (every language) are using the tampered manuscripts to translate from. KJV is the only translation in English which does not utilize those minority texts. It comes from the majority text, aka Textus Receptus.

I would be delighted to see a modern translation from the TR. In the absence of such, I must stick with the KJV and shun the perversions so common in the modern translations.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #137603
11/19/11 08:54 PM
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Must agree. I have been told that all the new translations are from texts held by the Vatican. A good test is Matthew 5:22. In every new translation, that text condemns you without hope. Look it up.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Harold Fair] #137607
11/19/11 11:40 PM
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The conversion version versus the perversion versions. Care to guess which one is which?

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Mountain Man] #137608
11/20/11 04:25 AM
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The NKJV is from the Textus Receptus. There's at least one other modern one, but I can't remember at this time.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #137610
11/20/11 09:39 AM
11/20/11 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
My favorite version of the Bible is the KJV. I believe it is the most reliable and accurate. Where it falls short, the SOP explains why and how to get around it. I'm not opposed to other translations so long as they agree with the KJV. When they dilute or contradict it, I go with the KJV.
I fully agree with the above. However, I think it is also good to know why the KJV is superior. Mrs. White talks about it herself in referring to the Waldensees having preserved a pure form of the scriptures. The RC church tampered with the sacred words--in their original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. All modern translations (every language) are using the tampered manuscripts to translate from. KJV is the only translation in English which does not utilize those minority texts. It comes from the majority text, aka Textus Receptus.

I would be delighted to see a modern translation from the TR. In the absence of such, I must stick with the KJV and shun the perversions so common in the modern translations.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
I suspect, and I am looking for it, that the TR manuscripts and derived copies were the 'heretical' material that the Papacy was desperately trying to find and burn as it persecuted true believers. It then kept power over the word with its corrupted versions with the addition of the Apocrypha and even that was done in Latin during service so most common people had no knowledge of the scriptures, only what was told to them by the priest. No wonder it was the Dark Ages, only true priests such as Martin Luther could lead them out of it, as only they had access to and time, as they were not slave serfs, and read and understand the scriptures.

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Harold Fair] #137611
11/20/11 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Harold Fair
Must agree. I have been told that all the new translations are from texts held by the Vatican. A good test is Matthew 5:22. In every new translation, that text condemns you without hope. Look it up.
Use Acts 8:37 as most Bibles based on the Westcott & Hort text skips directly from 8:36 to 8:38 without the proclamation of the deity of Christ by the Ethiopian believer. Here is a quick rundown on Acts 8:37 in the versions, note some have 'Footnotes', brackets and or astorisks, putting doubt to the validity of the text:

Here is how the KJV has it- 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

American Standard Version (ASV)-37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Darby Translation-No results found.

Common English Bible-No results found.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)-36-37As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said, "Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?" [a]
Footnotes:
Acts 8:36 Why can't I be baptized: Some manuscripts add, "Philip replied, `You can, if you believe with all your heart.' The official answered, `I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'"

English Standard Version-No results found.

English Standard Version Anglicised-No results found.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)-No results found.
37 [a]
Footnotes:
Acts 8:37 Some late copies of Acts add verse 37: “Philip answered, ‘If you believe with all your heart, you can.’ The official said, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’”

GODS WORD translation-No results found.

Good News-No results found.

Lexham English Bible-No results found.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)=37 [[a]And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]
Footnotes:
Acts 8:37 Early mss do not contain this v
New Life Version (NLV)-37 (*Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The man said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”)

New Living Translation-No results found.

NIV-No results found.

NKJV-37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[a]
Footnotes:
Acts 8:37 NU-Text and M-Text omit this verse. It is found in Western texts, including the Latin tradition.

Todays New International Version-No results found.

Wycliffe Bible (WYC)-37 And Philip said, If thou believest of all thine heart, it is leaveful. And he answered, and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)-37[And Philip said, `If thou dost believe out of all the heart, it is lawful;' and he answering said, `I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God;']

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #137664
11/25/11 09:38 AM
11/25/11 09:38 AM
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What a pleasure to see the KJV upheld and the others based on the vaticannes manuscripts questioned, when for so long those who raised questions were condemned and silenced.


Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 3.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: geoffm] #137687
11/27/11 10:22 AM
11/27/11 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: geoffm
What a pleasure to see the KJV upheld and the others based on the vaticannes manuscripts questioned, when for so long those who raised questions were condemned and silenced.
Well, I was given a NIV version and used it for many years and then I was watching a video in which it said to check your Bible to see what was missing or changed and sure enough the NIV was missing it so went back to KJV. But I wanted to know why it was changed or missing so started to look and it was all out there, people just have to look.

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #137689
11/27/11 12:56 PM
11/27/11 12:56 PM
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On the other hand, the KJV includes texts that it shouldn't include, like the Comma Johanneum of 1 John 5:7.

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