Yes your right kland, it seemed he started to support this biblical doctrine but then, starting in that first quoted response he denies the full penalty that Jesus felt by saying "Jesus didn't literally die the second death."

Then he went back to supporting his previous statements saying;



I have been shown and know I have been given perfect SOP evidence that Jesus did die the second death, the death that we all deserve, separation from the Father is the second death.

Then when brother Daryl sent the link from Pastor Rodriquez about his article in the Bible research institute which completely supports what God showed me in vision that Jesus DID die the second death, he totally denied that the subject of the article was about Jesus dying the second death when THE WHOLE ARTICLE was exactly that.

Either he didn't even bother to read the article or what would be worse is; he read the article and tried to dissuade others from seeing the proof and made a completely false statement as if others would listen to his statement and not bother following the link to read it for themselves, which would be evil.

In either case a Holy Spirit filled man of God would have corrected his statements, but he has not. This is a major indicator of whether he is loyal to God and follows the promptings of His Spirit or not. If we have offended by false statements, especially when we act as if sent by God to make such statements as he seemed to imply, then in particular the Holy Spirit would prompt a true man of God to repent. He has not.

Read that article from Pastor Rodriquez that elder Daryl sent and see for yourself. Why would he try to say Pastor Rodriquez did not say Jesus died the second death when the whole article is saying He did?

http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/Biblequestions/secondeath.htm

The reason I am defending this position so vehemently is for this one purpose. I have been sent with this message to show how to be prepared for the outpouring of the later rain.

This is what our Father has sent me to do. This claim is what I am being persecuted for on so many levels from so many people within God's church, which is a test for them.

Men have taken me on as if sent by God to do so, when they discover through revelation of truth that they are wrong, this is their valley of decision. If anyone claims I am not sent by the Lord on this subject they are proving what side they are really on by denying the Spirit of Prophecy.

Men who deny the Spirit while claiming to be led by God are the ones who try to take me on. You should see what I've seen from these men in God's church. This is why I am not afraid to confront them. I have seen this pattern develop over and over.

I have seen a great light, and I am being prepared for the later rain through these messages. Everything fits so perfectly in the Spirit of Prophecy and I will never deny this message, and feel an obligation to prayerfully defend the message that God has given.

When Paul was shown that the Gentiles were to be fully accepted into the Christian church and he had to confront the men of Hebrew origin, including Peter, over this subject, did he allow compromise in the debate? No, he would prayerfully contend with Peter until he saw his error so he could repent. This is my heavenly inspired mission. The men and women I know who have accepted this message of meeting with Jesus in their hearts at Gethsemane to place their sins upon His head and bear His reproach are the people God has blessed to be prepared for the end. This is my greatest blessing in my life. God showed me this and then I was led to proof and no one filled with the Spirit can deny it.

“Have you followed him in the garden of Gethsemane? Have you seen the bloody sweat bedew the ground?” {RH July 12, 1892, par. 6}

“The garden of Eden with its foul blot of disobedience is to be carefully studied and compared with the garden of Gethsemane where the world’s Redeemer suffered superhuman agony when the sins of the whole world were rolled upon Him.” {Ms 1, 1892}

I had never read that quote before, but felt drawn to these two subjects that night in 2009, as if lured in righteousness to find a deeper comprehension. A year later I found that perfect command by our prophet to prove that it is Gods will that we compare these two events. I can tell you, finding this quote made me so excited.

While envisioning these two premises; Adam outside of Eden’s Eastern Gate and Jesus outside Jerusalem’s Eastern Gate, I was impressed that God wanted me to go further in this image. So I responded by praying, “Please Father, show me more”. Then immediately I had a vision…

I was shown Jesus on His hands and knees in the Garden of Gethsemane, covered in bloody sweat, and simultaneously saw an all Red Heifer super imposed over Him. I was privileged to be shown by our Father that Jesus fulfilled the mysterious Red Heifer sacrifice in the Garden of Gethsemane.

The three years since have been an experiment in faith and I have not been discouraged in it.

If you are interested in the vision and the biblical and Spirit of Prophecy support on this subject please visit my blog and prayerfully see for yourselves.

http://redheifersbloodysweat.blogspot.com/2011/12/red-heifer.html

Peace in the name of Jesus amen.

10 snoring virgins?

(From my blog)



Another mystery explained; the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:5 has been translated this way… “While the Bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept”, and I have often wondered "why they are all depicted as sleeping, but 5 of them awake with enough oil?" So I did a word study.

The word used for ‘slumbered’ is nustazó. This word can also be translated “got drowsy”.

The word that is here translated ‘and’ is the Greek word ‘kai’, which can also be translated ‘also, both, but, even, for, if,' and 'so’. But, it is also translated ‘or’ 11 times in scripture.

The true translation of Matthew 25:5 should read “While the bridegroom tarried they all got drowsy or slept.”

Now look at this quote from Signs of the Times about the Garden of Gethsemane.

“In this fearful hour of trial Christ's human nature longed even for the sympathy of his disciples. A second time he rose from the earth and went to them and found them sleeping. This was not a deep sleep. They were in a drowse. They had a limited sense of their Lord's suffering and anguish. . In these sleeping disciples he sees a representation of a sleeping church.”
{ST, August 14, 1879 par. 10}

In this parable of the 10 virgins; the wise ones have an extra measure of oil when they come out of their slumber telling the foolish who slept to go buy for themselves. Where did they get the extra measure of oil, or Holy Spirit? In Gethsemane (the olive press)! They tell the foolish ones to go ‘buy for themselves’, which means it’s too late for them to prepare because the gate is shut and they have to pay for their own sins by their own blood at the second resurrection. The wise virgins have a limited sense of Jesus’ suffering and anguish, while the foolish ones are depicted here.

“They forget the Man of Sorrows, who was acquainted with grief. The sufferings of Jesus in Gethsemane, His sweating as it were great drops of blood in the garden, the platted crown of thorns that pierced His holy brow, do not move them. They have become benumbed. Their sensibilities are blunted, and they have lost all sense of the great sacrifice made for them. They can sit and listen to the story of the cross, hear how the cruel nails were driven through the hands and feet of the Son of God, and it does not stir the depths of the soul. Said the angel: "If such should be ushered into the city of God, and told that all its rich beauty and glory was theirs to enjoy eternally, they would have no sense of how dearly that inheritance was purchased for them. They would never realize the matchless depths of a Savior’s love. They have not drunk of the cup, nor been baptized with the baptism. Heaven would be marred if such should dwell there. Those only who have partaken of the sufferings of the Son of God, and have come up through great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, can enjoy the indescribable glory and unsurpassed beauty of heaven."
{1T 155.2}

James, these comments are inflammatory, unacceptable, and unChristlike. They also violate forum rules. Please refrain from using such abusive language. Thank you.


You quoted Ellen: "Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God’s law." I agree with this insight. I also believe this is what Pastor Rodriquez is saying in his article. Jesus finished what He came here to accomplish before He died. "Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, 'It is finished.'"

Really? I haven't heard you yet correct this statement...

"Pastor Rodriquez did not say Jesus died the second death."

Are you above having to correct your statements?

Mountain Man, these comments are inflammatory, unacceptable, and unChristlike. They also violate forum rules. Please refrain from using such abusive language. Thank you.

And by the way her name was 'Mrs. Ellen White' or 'sister White' if you have any civil decency (manners). I think even by today's standards calling her by her first name would be a little froward don't you? This is connected to respect of an elder, but you might not have been taught this decorum yet.

We refer to Bible personalities by their first names - Moses, Elijah, Peter, Paul, etc.

I believe Jesus "suffered" the ravages of the second death. This is not the same thing as death. It is more than death.

Your pride is in the way brother. You have not apologized or corrected for making the false statement...

"Pastor Rodriquez did not say Jesus died the second death."

Why is this so hard for you to do? You do know humility is a sign of the Spirit don't you? If I find I make a mistake, I am motivated by God to apologize and correct it as proven on this website. It is a hard pill to swallow but if you do not then you have no part in Christ.