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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #150092
02/26/13 06:22 PM
02/26/13 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
kland,

I don't know exactly which predictions you might have in mind.
Green, I didn't expect you to speculate and make up some predictions. I was referring to those shown in the link. Maybe you didn't read it.
The post I responded to had no link in it. I never noticed a link, nor followed one.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Green Cochoa] #151958
04/17/13 05:09 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416

"Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000."

"Getting this right is essential for the short and long-term planning of governments and businesses "

I guess so. People may not buy into the higher taxes. Or allow for businesses to profit from the carbon credits.

", for unknown reasons. It could be a combination of factors or some as yet unknown natural variations,"
"The climate system is not quite so simple as people thought,"
"Many of the exact effects are still unknown."

Hmmm. Sounds like they haven't a clue what the weather is going to do. They just don't know.

"Greenhouse gas emissions have hit repeated record highs with annual growth of about 3 percent in most of the decade to 2010, partly powered by rises in China and India. World emissions were 75 percent higher in 2010 than in 1970, UN data show."

But yet, the warming has slowed. Isn't that strange. The other thing is with all these extra efforts to curb them, the emissions still hit record highs....

"The IPCC has consistently said that fluctuations in the weather, perhaps caused by variations in sunspots or a La Nina cooling of the Pacific, can mask any warming trend and the panel has never predicted a year-by-year rise in temperatures."

Yep. Our puny little efforts to heat up or cool down the whole outdoors can be dwarfed in a very short amount of time.

"A study by Dutch experts this month sought to explain why there is now more sea ice in winter."

More ice! Due to global warming? Or is it global cooling?
Or is it just more complex than we thought and we just don't know?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #152411
05/10/13 12:59 PM
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"UK's coldest spring since 1963 claims 5,000 lives:"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...horrendous.html

"It's been the coldest March and April in 113 years, according to Environment Canada's senior climatologist David Phillips."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/coldest-spring-century-180736620.html


"According to NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), 2013 brought us the second latest start to spring spring in US history. The only recorded year in which the beginning of spring was colder was 1975."
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2013/04/second-coldest-spring-in-us-history/

What happened in the 70s?
Quote:
There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth...
In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually...
The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down...

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects.
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
Too funny! Sad thing is the same arguments and urging is going on because it's too hot. Or is it too cold? But, "The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality."
Yeah. Hmm hmm.



"Crack government scientists with supercomputers, predicted in January that this spring was going to be super hot!"
NOAA graph at: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/us-headed-for-the-coldest-spring-on-record/

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #152415
05/10/13 07:40 PM
05/10/13 07:40 PM
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What is claimed by scientists is that the global warming produces, not exactly temperature rise, but extremes in temperature an in drought and floods, which is precisely what is happening.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Rosangela] #152441
05/12/13 01:24 AM
05/12/13 01:24 AM
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This colder than usual Winter here in Canada and an also colder than usual Spring right up to and including today does seem to make one wonder if global warming is a farce.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Daryl] #152442
05/12/13 05:57 AM
05/12/13 05:57 AM
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The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, fire and flood, disasters by sea and land, follow each other in quick succession. Science seeks to explain all these. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause. Men cannot discern the sentinel angels restraining the four winds that they shall not blow until the servants of God are sealed; but when God shall bid His angels loose the winds, there will be such a scene of strife as no pen can picture. {6T 408.1}
Could it be???


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #156167
09/15/13 12:31 PM
09/15/13 12:31 PM
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It looks like the picture is worsening. It is cool this year, but wait about two or three years from now, say 2015-2016. Do you see the trend in the graph below measuring sea ice as a thermal indicator? Look at the fluctuations, both up and down, and how the pendulum has been swinging with increasing energy. This shows that the natural balance of things is being upset, and "climate change" may well be the best term, as both upward and downward swings are gaining impetus.



The most consistent thing about that graph is its fluctuations. The upward and downward movements might nearly be summarized in a sine wave, and it is regular enough in these movements to offer some good clues about what is coming ahead.

This graph demonstrates what I've been saying all along--that the pendulum is swinging harder. I expect more snow in winter due to global warming. The recent flooding is also clear evidence of warming. The warmer the planet, the more precipitation overall.

We need not be ignorant who have read the end of the book.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Green Cochoa] #156182
09/15/13 05:44 PM
09/15/13 05:44 PM
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The RESTRAINT is being removed...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #156185
09/15/13 08:51 PM
09/15/13 08:51 PM
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We see it around us here in Iceland. A German company from Bremen is getting permission to build a huge international harbor in the north eastern corner of our country. This harbor will service the boats sailing between China and Europe through the previously closed waters, closed by ice.

Much of the ice is disappearing, increasing the temperatures of the oceans, but also causing more storms in our area, and I hear the storm howling outside my window while I am writing this. It is tearing the green leaves off the trees. We were warned so we tied everything that could blow away. Our neighbor had not tied down his trashcan, so we saw the contents blowing in different direction, but fortunately he braved the storm and was able to pick it up without blowing away himself.

Last edited by Johann; 09/15/13 08:54 PM.

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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Johann] #156219
09/16/13 01:53 PM
09/16/13 01:53 PM
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So Green, therefore we conclude we will have periods of warmth followed by periods of coldness with variations in between.

1980 to 2013.

Green, based on the science you understand, would you say that is an adequate sample size to base any conclusion on a change given how long life has been on this earth? And have you come across in statistics and research something called "outliers"? If you throw 2007 out, what does the chart tell you? About even, possibly an increasing amount of sea ice. Why is September 9 a valid reference point for comparison? If other dates are chosen and it shows something different, would you reject them?

Have you calculated what percentage of time you are using to make a future claim?

All I hear you saying is that we have global warming because we are having warmer winters, colder winters, winters with more snow, winters with less snow, ....

In other words, you ain't sain' a thing.

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