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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193793
02/25/21 03:41 AM
02/25/21 03:41 AM
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If we look to glaciers as an indicator, then the earth has been warming up for a long time already, long before the industrial age.

Those glaciers in the Canadian Mountains that Green hiked on -- and which I've visited several times over the last 60 years, have receded -- there's no question on that fact.

Yes, they were quite impressive 60 years ago. However, they were much bigger 200 years ago.

The Illecillewaet Glacier (called the Great Glacier) was quite popular back in 1887. A huge glacier! The railroad took people close to the foot of the glacier. A hotel was built within easy walking distance from the glacier. Many people would visit and explore and enjoy the glacier.
But by 1925, the hotel was closed. It was demolished in 1929. Between 1887 and 1962 the terminus of the glacier retreated almost one mile.
I visited the "ruins" about 30 years ago (early 1990's) and there was no sign of the glacier from the site of the "ruins". One would have to hike considerably to reach what remains of the retreating glacier.

As you can see, in the picture below -- how much of the glacier was already gone 90 years ago!

Obviously those glaciers receded!


All of British Columbia was once pretty much covered in glaciers. The signs of it are still seen even in areas FAR away from the remaining glaciers as glaciers sculptured the land.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193795
02/25/21 10:50 AM
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Why then have the glaciers been receding since 1887?


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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193928
03/26/21 12:15 PM
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Whatever the answer is, would one agree it's not because of man-made global warming? And I would expect they had been receding much before then.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193933
03/29/21 01:02 AM
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At it's maximum glaciers covered 2.5 million square kilometres in B.C,, which is pretty much all of British Columbia and the glaciers reached down into Washington, Idaho, and even Oregon.

When did they begin to recede?
Scientists say the glacier started to recede about 2 million years ago.

However, I believe those glaciers formed soon after the flood. And they were already receding during Abraham's time. -- Thus marking the beginning of the "receding" probably around 4000 years ago.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193934
03/29/21 10:51 AM
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How they scientifically determine their "2 million years ago" is beyond me.


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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193941
03/31/21 11:12 AM
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Simple. All things remain the same. For example, we can calculate C14 to C12 ratios and know how old something is because we all know carbon decays and source ratios remain the same for billions of years.
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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193946
03/31/21 06:29 PM
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An interesting creationist opinion of the ice age.

The Ice Age Causes and Consequences

The explanation is --
During the flood a lot of water reserves held deep in the earth burst forth.
Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life,..., the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up"
This water gushing up from the depths of the earth was hot -- filling the oceans with very warm water.

Warm water evaporates quickly, rises and comes down as rain OR SNOW.
So after the flood, especially in areas where high mountains had been raised (like British Columbia and along Americas west coast) there was LOTS of snow which packed into glaciers. Even Yosemite Park in California had deep glaciers.

As the earth "settled" after it's major convulsions during the flood, there was a lot of ice deposited in places!
But gradually the oceans cooled. Melting glaciers sent cold water into the oceans, etc.

The exact time lapses of course are not known, but the fact that there was an ice age when British Columbia and down into the American west coast was deep in ice is true. It's also true that those glaciers have been receding ever since.

The article also kind of answers the question as to how the animals from Noah's Ark managed to get to all the continents, and why we find so many ancient civilizations built on continental shelves that are now underwater.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: dedication] #193954
04/03/21 11:01 AM
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A fascinating article, thank you sister.


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: dedication] #193959
04/05/21 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication
An interesting creationist opinion of the ice age.

The Ice Age Causes and Consequences

The explanation is --
During the flood a lot of water reserves held deep in the earth burst forth.
Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life,..., the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up"
This water gushing up from the depths of the earth was hot -- filling the oceans with very warm water.

Warm water evaporates quickly, rises and comes down as rain OR SNOW.
So after the flood, especially in areas where high mountains had been raised (like British Columbia and along Americas west coast) there was LOTS of snow which packed into glaciers. Even Yosemite Park in California had deep glaciers.

As the earth "settled" after it's major convulsions during the flood, there was a lot of ice deposited in places!
But gradually the oceans cooled. Melting glaciers sent cold water into the oceans, etc.

The exact time lapses of course are not known, but the fact that there was an ice age when British Columbia and down into the American west coast was deep in ice is true. It's also true that those glaciers have been receding ever since.

The article also kind of answers the question as to how the animals from Noah's Ark managed to get to all the continents, and why we find so many ancient civilizations built on continental shelves that are now underwater.


I didn't read the article, but based on your summary of it I'd have to disagree with the explanation given. The Bible is clear that water came from the earth during the flood. But it is also clear that it fell from the sky. What water had been in the sky? The waters that God had placed "in the firmament" during creation. There used to be a layer of water above the earth that no longer exists. That fell during the flood, and is likely the bulk of the water that covered the earth. The vast oceans had not previously existed.

The waters that came from the earth did not come from volcanoes--they came from the earth's natural aquifers--the underground sprinkler system that God had designed for the planet. The trees and plants were all watered by this prior to the flood, and I daresay their poor roots were not presented with the boiling waters of hot springs. It was more of an artesian well type of system where the refreshing waters sprung from the ground.

Also, while it is true that warmer seas will cause more evaporation, leading to greater precipitation, including for snow--which I have said here more than once before, it would be difficult to establish that the oceans have been on a cooling trend whereas the continents have been warming. When I took classes in marine biology, it was an almost universally acknowledged fact (or fear) that the oceans were warming (not cooling). Warmer waters are dangerous for the oceans because they cannot contain as much oxygen, leading to the end of marine life. If, in fact, the oceans had been warmer by only a few degrees, it is highly likely that huge swaths of the marine life which we are still able to see today would not have survived the flood.

Consider the Pacific coast, from British Columbia down to California, for example. There is a lot of marine life there. Why? Because of "upwelling." The waters at the surface along that coast (and most people would not like to swim long in the northern parts of that range on account of how "cold" they are), are actually too warm to support much life without the upwelling of deep sea waters that bring oxygenated and nutrient-enriched waters up to the surface from thousands of feet below. This is why the marine life is so rich along that stretch.

A more credible theory for the cause of the Ice Age is that during the flood, and subsequent tectonic movements, there was much volcanic activity which spewed large amounts of silt and ash into the atmosphere, reflecting solar radiance back out into space and causing a cooling of the earth's surface. This cooling was sudden enough even to cause large areas to cool quickly, and we now find herds of mammoths literally frozen in place, apparently taken by surprise by some cold front or blizzard. It took time for the volcanic ash to settle out of the atmosphere and for the earth to warm up again--even today, volcanic eruptions are known to have an effect on earth's temperatures for up to a year or more. In fact, the seas may well have been much colder just after the flood because waters originating in the upper atmosphere would not have been warm.

So the earth has been fairly consistently, overall, warming since the Ice Age. There has been, and still is, considerable regional variation, and there are still times when a volcano will affect the earth's temperatures, bringing them back down temporarily. But the trend has been generally upward.

That is, at least. my understanding.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #193960
04/05/21 10:01 PM
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The bottom line is not a disagreement.

There was a world wide flood with water gushing up from the depth of the earth, water falling down from the sky, earth's tectonic plates were broken, volcanoes erupted spewing steaming lava, and clouds of ashes. Just which contributed most to the ice age, or if all contributed to the ice age, we don't know, BUT the evidence remains that
-- sometime soon after the flood, vast glaciers covered a lot of land and there was an ice age
(example--they covered pretty much all of British Columbia, down into Washington and Idaho and even reaching California's Yosemite Park) and it appears a drop in temperature came SUDDENLY in places -- freezing huge animals like mammoth elephants with food still in their mouths!

The "global warming" has been going on for several thousand years. The glaciers in BC have been receding for several thousand years. It's not a recent phenomena that was caused by modern life.

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