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Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: Green Cochoa] #153245
06/16/13 06:39 AM
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Regarding the "flesh," that term encompasses our entire mortal bodies. Our mind is a part of our body. We are told that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We are told to avoid the "lust of the flesh." The flesh is full of temptation and weakness. We will ever have temptations as long as we remain on this sinful planet. But temptations are not the same thing as sin. It is our privilege to resist temptation, and be more than conquerors.

This side of the transfiguration, our bodies will remain flawed. But our bodies are not the same thing as our characters. We may have a perfect character within a flawed mortal body--even as Christ Jesus had--without propensities toward sin.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: Green Cochoa] #153257
06/16/13 07:51 AM
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Was Christ's body flawed? From birth or only in Gethsemane?

How does the flesh produce temptations?

You say, our bodies are not the same as our characters, OK, EGW says, "The body is a most important medium through which the mind and the soul are developed for the upbuilding of character." EGW says the body is "polluted with sin", note the term, with sin, not by sin. (See GC 644.3) How is the body "polluted with sin"?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: APL] #153283
06/17/13 12:25 AM
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This answers the original question quite well.

"The condition of eternal life is now just what it always has been,—just what it was in Paradise before the fall of our first parents,—perfect obedience to the law of God, perfect righteousness. If eternal life were granted on any condition short of this, then the happiness of the whole universe would be imperiled. The way would be open for sin, with all its train of woe and misery, to be immortalized. {SC 62.1}

It was possible for Adam, before the fall, to form a righteous character by obedience to God’s law. But he failed to do this, and because of his sin our natures are fallen and we cannot make ourselves righteous. Since we are sinful, unholy, we cannot perfectly obey the holy law. We have no righteousness of our own with which to meet the claims of the law of God. But Christ has made a way of escape for us. He lived on earth amid trials and temptations such as we have to meet. He lived a sinless life. He died for us, and now He offers to take our sins and give us His righteousness. If you give yourself to Him, and accept Him as your Saviour, then, sinful as your life may have been, for His sake you are accounted righteous. Christ’s character stands in place of your character, and you are accepted before God just as if you had not sinned. {SC 62.2}

More than this, Christ changes the heart. He abides in your heart by faith. You are to maintain this connection with Christ by faith and the continual surrender of your will to Him; and so long as you do this, He will work in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure. So you may say, “The life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me.” Galatians 2:20. So Jesus said to His disciples, “It is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” Matthew 10:20. Then with Christ working in you, you will manifest the same spirit and do the same good works—works of righteousness, obedience. {SC 62.3}

So we have nothing in ourselves of which to boast. We have no ground for self-exaltation. Our only ground of hope is in the righteousness of Christ imputed to us, and in that wrought by His Spirit working in and through us. {SC 63.1}"


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Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: Norman] #153297
06/17/13 02:56 PM
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Thank you, Norman. So two things happen.

If you give yourself to Him, and accept Him as your Saviour, then, sinful as your life may have been, for His sake 1) you are accounted righteous. Christ’s character stands in place of your character, and you are accepted before God just as if you had not sinned.

2) More than this, Christ changes the heart.

Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: Rosangela] #153308
06/17/13 10:44 PM
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Quote:
2) More than this, Christ changes the heart.

and He gives us power to live a righteous life of love and faith.

Norman


No one can make you upset unless you choose to be, otherwise you're a slave to all and everything that makes me mad
Re: Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation? [Re: Norman] #153309
06/18/13 01:22 AM
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Yes. This is wonderful.

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