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Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment #155506
08/28/13 03:24 AM
08/28/13 03:24 AM
Green Cochoa  Offline OP
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According to Dr. Mercola, 26 of 54 vegans got a "brain-destroying" deficiency of vitamin B12. Read the article HERE.

In that article, Dr. Mercola points out the following:
Originally Posted By: Dr. Mercola
This is why vitamin B12 deficiency is extremely common in strict vegetarians and vegans, but many are unaware there's a problem until it's too late. Even though vitamin B12 is water-soluble, it doesn't exit your body quickly in your urine like other water-soluble vitamins. Instead, B12 is stored in your liver, kidneys and other body tissues, and as a result, a deficiency may not show itself for a number of years.

This is a serious concern, because after about seven years of B12 deficiency, irreversible brain damage and other problems can result. (The exception is infants and children, in which extensive B12 reserves have not yet been established, so deficiency signs and symptoms tend to become apparent more rapidly.)


"Irreversible brain damage" is the result of prolonged vitamin B12 deficiency.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155510
08/28/13 05:28 AM
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You really want to use Mercola as your gold standard? You might want to rethink that.


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #155513
08/28/13 06:40 AM
08/28/13 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
You really want to use Mercola as your gold standard? You might want to rethink that.

Skip the ad hominem and address the issues, please. Those with the truth on their side need not resort to such tactics as this. Have you any factual reason to disagree?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155515
08/28/13 09:19 AM
08/28/13 09:19 AM
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Brought in from another thread...
Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: green
doctrine of dispensing with milk and eggs should not be taught.
Originally Posted By: EGW
The diet reform should be progressive. As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe. An effort should be made to supply their place with other things that are healthful and inexpensive. The people everywhere should be taught how to cook without milk and eggs, so far as possible, and yet have their food wholesome and palatable. {MH 320.2}

APL,

I know whereof I speak. You cannot hope to contradict what I just said, for it is perfectly true. I even think you have seen the statements yourself, but are choosing not to consider them, and are here putting forward a good quote that appears to support another side, when taken alone. The writings of Mrs. White, however, are more balanced than you would make them appear by it.

Mrs. White did tell us to teach others how to cook without milk and eggs. That is so that they will be able to cook without them when this step is required. However, she never required dispensing with them. Surely, you have seen this following quote before, haven't you?

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
We appreciate your experience as a physician, and yet I say that milk and eggs should be included in your diet. These things cannot at present be dispensed with, and the doctrine of dispensing with them should not be taught. {TSDF 49.1}

You are in danger of taking too radical a view of health reform, and of prescribing for yourself a diet that will not sustain you. {TSDF 49.2}

I do hope that you will heed the words I have spoken to you. It has been presented to me that you will not be able to exert the most successful influence in health reform unless in some things you become more liberal to yourself and to others. The time will come when milk can not be used as freely as it is now used; but the present time is not the time to discard it. And eggs contain properties which are remedial agencies in counteracting poisons. And while warnings have been given against the use of these articles of diet in families where the children were addicted to, yes, steeped, in habits of self abuse; yet we should not consider it a denial of principle to use eggs of hens which are well cared for and suitably fed. {TSDF 49.3}

God calls upon those for whom Christ died to take proper care of themselves, and set a right example to others. My brother, you are not to make a test for the people of God upon the question of diet; for they will lose confidence in teachings that are strained to the farthest point of extension. The Lord desires His people to be sound on every point in health reform, but we must not go to extremes. {TSDF 49.4}


APL, as you claim to be a health professional, I believe that quote applies every bit as much to you. It appears, however, that you are an extremist.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155523
08/28/13 12:58 PM
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Quote: use eggs of hens which are well cared for and suitably fed.

Where do you get your eggs? Do you grow them yourself? Or do you buy them in the market where most are grown in poor conditions? Do you follow this advise yourself?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155524
08/28/13 01:07 PM
08/28/13 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: NHS
Vitamin B12 and folate

Vitamin B12 and folate work together to help the body produce red blood cells. They also have several other important functions:

vitamin B12 helps to keep the nervous system (brain, nerves and spinal cord) healthy

folate is important for pregnant women because it reduces the risk of birth defects in unborn babies

Vitamin B12 is found in:
  • meat
  • eggs
  • dairy products

The best source of folate is green vegetables such as:
  • broccoli
  • Brussel sprouts
  • peas

Treating vitamin B12 deficiency anaemia

Most cases of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency are easily treated.

Supplements of vitamin B12 are usually given by injection at first, followed by tablets until the deficiency is under control. In cases where there are problems absorbing vitamin B12, such as in pernicious anaemia, you will need supplements for the rest of your life.

Folic acid tablets are used to restore folate levels, which usually need to be taken for four months.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #155525
08/28/13 01:09 PM
08/28/13 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Quote: use eggs of hens which are well cared for and suitably fed.

Where do you get your eggs? Do you grow them yourself? Or do you buy them in the market where most are grown in poor conditions? Do you follow this advise yourself?

I do. Most of the hens around here are quite free range. There are no fences, and there are plenty of dogs. The dogs rarely bother them.

Last year I raised over five dozen hens. smile

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155527
08/28/13 01:13 PM
08/28/13 01:13 PM
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Here's the quote from the National Institutes of Health that speaks of brain damage caused by B12 deficiency.

Originally Posted By: NIH
Taking large amounts of folic acid might hide a vitamin B12 deficiency. Folic acid can correct the anemia but not the nerve damage caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. This can lead to permanent damage of the brain, spinal cord, and nerves. High doses of folic acid might also increase the risk of colorectal cancer and possibly other cancers in some people.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155528
08/28/13 01:31 PM
08/28/13 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: APL
You really want to use Mercola as your gold standard? You might want to rethink that.

Skip the ad hominem and address the issues, please. Those with the truth on their side need not resort to such tactics as this. Have you any factual reason to disagree?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Mercola advocates the paleo diet. Your link does not present any science to back up the claim. It does have Mercola's "my observation and belief". If I choose not to listen to the devil, would that be an ad hominem attack?

Some people may become B12 deficient. And they don't have to be just vegans! For the majority, it is not hard to prevent.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155530
08/28/13 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: APL
Quote: use eggs of hens which are well cared for and suitably fed.

Where do you get your eggs? Do you grow them yourself? Or do you buy them in the market where most are grown in poor conditions? Do you follow this advise yourself?

I do. Most of the hens around here are quite free range. There are no fences, and there are plenty of dogs. The dogs rarely bother them.

Last year I raised over five dozen hens. smile

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Good for you! Now, let's say you move back to the U.S. What would you recommend the city dweller to do?

You do acknowledge that EGW said that there are certain people that should not eat eggs, right? Of course, this whole line of talk have been covered before.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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