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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/21/13 02:36 AM
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Did you all actually watch the two videos in the first post in this thread? Yes, I did; but the idea that "the earth is at the orbital centre of all celestial bodies" is false. Gen. 1 is based on that belief. It envisages a geocentric universe because the ancient people looked up from the earth. To them, it was obvious that the celestial bodies revolved around the land on which they stood. Today we know that the earth revolves around the sun and the sun is on the outskirts of the Milky Way, rotating about the centre of the galaxy. Now look at this symbol: " O o ." where "O" is the Milky Way, "o" is the sun on the edge of "O" and the period "." is our earth rotating about the sun, "o". Try to imagine the "." rotating about the "o" which is itself rotating about the "O". It is mathematically and physically impossible for "O" to be then rotating about the "." Do you see that? Therefore the celestial bodies do not rotate about the earth and thus do not have the earth as their orbital centre. Neither the sun nor any planet rotates about the earth. Only a fool would believe such a thing today. Even a grade 5 student can tell you that. .... ...
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/21/13 01:39 PM
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The planet earth and water was already here. This is what the Bible says, has always said and will continue to say.
You are misinterpreting Gen. 1 because you are projecting your own modern cosmological thinking on the passage. It is a GEO-CENTRIC universe. Here is the purpose of the sun, moon and stars: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth." And, from Wikipedia ... "In astronomy, the geocentric model (also known as geocentrism, or the Ptolemaic system), is a description of the cosmos where Earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies. This model served as the predominant cosmological system in many ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece. As such, they assumed that the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circled Earth." -- Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_modelThat is why though it was said, "In the beginning, God created the 'heaven and the earth'," it reverts to speaking about the earth as the source and center of all things. It was THAT "heaven and earth", the primordial dark, liquid, shapeless amalgamation which was called "EARTH". ... ..
So you believe that the earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies...
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That does indeed explain some things...
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Silly. Do YOU believe in this day and age that the earth is "at the orbital center of all celestial bodies"? LOL ... .. Did you all actually watch the two videos in the first post in this thread? Yes, I did; but the idea that "the earth is at the orbital centre of all celestial bodies" is false. Gen. 1 is based on that belief. It envisages a geocentric universe because the ancient people looked up from the earth. To them, it was obvious that the celestial bodies revolved around the land on which they stood. Today we know that the earth revolves around the sun and the sun is on the outskirts of the Milky Way, rotating about the centre of the galaxy. Now look at this symbol: " O o ." where "O" is the Milky Way, "o" is the sun on the edge of "O" and the period "." is our earth rotating about the sun, "o". Try to imagine the "." rotating about the "o" which is itself rotating about the "O". It is mathematically and physically impossible for "O" to be then rotating about the "." Do you see that? Therefore the celestial bodies do not rotate about the earth and thus do not have the earth as their orbital centre. Neither the sun nor any planet rotates about the earth. Only a fool would believe such a thing today. Even a grade 5 student can tell you that. .... ... Only a fool and that's what I was concluding. All I can now conclude is that you either do or do not believe in a geocentric universe. But I'm not even sure about that since you seem jump from one side to the other. Maybe you are also one who would say things like: The earth is at the center of the universe because it isn't?
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/21/13 04:09 PM
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Only a fool and that's what I was concluding.
All I can now conclude is that you either do or do not believe in a geocentric universe. But I'm not even sure about that since you seem jump from one side to the other.
Maybe you are also one who would say things like: The earth is at the center of the universe because it isn't?  So ........, getting back to the topic: The Earth was created 6,000 years or so ago, however, the Universe existed before the Earth was created.
It seems, however, that our Solar System, perhaps even our Galaxy was part of the six days of the creation of our planet in relation to the day in which our Sun and our Moon was created. Gen. 1:16,19 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also .... And the evening and the morning were the fourth day." Now consider this: "The Andromeda Galaxy is a spiral galaxy approximately 2.5 million light-years from Earth" (Ribas, I. et al. (2005). First Determination of the Distance and Fundamental Properties of an Eclipsing Binary in the Andromeda Galaxy. Astrophysical Journal Letters 635 (1): L37–L40.) We are actually seeing that galaxy as it was 2.5 million years ago. It flies in the face of a supposed 6,000-year ago fourth-day of creation object. Secondly, that galaxy does NOT orbit the earth, though it seems like it is a part of an entire sky of lights moving over and around us. This is the point at which ancient cosmology (upon which Gen. 1 is based) skews the truth according to the landscape of ignorance. It would not be the last time this would happen. Phrenology is a classic example even in recent modern times. .... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/26/13 06:36 PM
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Because the galaxy was already created prior to the fourth day.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Amen!!!!! That is exactly what I am saying in my earlier post/s here. Because the galaxy was already created prior to the fourth day.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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No further discussion on this?
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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09/09/13 01:54 PM
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Ok, I managed to see both videos look at some on the websites. Any particular thing on them? I find it interesting that evolutionists complain where is the peer-reviewed research supporting creationism. Well, it's been censored, removed, banned.
I had heard about the polonium halos years ago. I didn't know there were still scientists ignoring them.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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I understand the vast size is one of the few valid points science has available. But, evolutionists have a problem with that as well, it's called the horizon problem. The temperature of the universe is just too equal throughout even for a 13.7 billion year old universe. For that matter, it's too equal for a 20 billion year old universe.
As far as the moon point, it needs the earth to revolve around. So, we know from verse one on that God created the earth as well.
But, the bottom line is this; science has never made a valid scientific argument for the existence of the universe and all that is in it.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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No further discussion on this? Well, we know God created the heavens and the earth. We also know the third Heaven, where God dwells, was created before the earth was created. Now, the second heaven is what we would call outer space. Was this created before the earth? And if so; How much before the creation of the earth? I do believe outer space was created before the earth was created, but, not any where close to billions of years. I would personally say less that 10 million years, although I really can't prove that. But, evolutionists can't prove their points either, so hey! But the earth and all around it, which I would say our galaxy, was definitely created in six literal 24-hour days and God rested on the seventh day and hallowed it.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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01/19/14 01:40 PM
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Did you all actually watch the two videos in the first post in this thread? Yes, I did; but the idea that "the earth is at the orbital centre of all celestial bodies" is false. Gen. 1 is based on that belief. It envisages a geocentric universe because the ancient people looked up from the earth. To them, it was obvious that the celestial bodies revolved around the land on which they stood. Today we know that the earth revolves around the sun and the sun is on the outskirts of the Milky Way, rotating about the centre of the galaxy. Now look at this symbol: " O o ." where "O" is the Milky Way, "o" is the sun on the edge of "O" and the period "." is our earth rotating about the sun, "o". Try to imagine the "." rotating about the "o" which is itself rotating about the "O". It is mathematically and physically impossible for "O" to be then rotating about the "." Do you see that? Therefore the celestial bodies do not rotate about the earth and thus do not have the earth as their orbital centre. Neither the sun nor any planet rotates about the earth. Only a fool would believe such a thing today. Even a grade 5 student can tell you that. .... ... Hahahahahaha..... It always amazes me how evolutionists beat this center of the universe point to death. First of all, all the best evidence does suggest that the earth is at or near the center of the universe. Even what Hubble discovered in the 1920's showed everything around us moving away from us. The fact that there really is a cosmological constant to the universe is also evidence of a static universe. Now, the red shift Hubble discovered could mean the universe is expanding, but it is not at all definitive. So, all because neither the solar system nor the galaxy revolve around the earth, but the other way around, doesn't prove in any way that the earth isn't at or close to the center. I tend to believe the earth is close to, but not at the center of the universe. But, so what.
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