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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197694
06/13/24 11:31 AM
06/13/24 11:31 AM
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The fifth Plague: please notice the key words - the seat of the beast; full of darkness; gnawed tongues for pain; blasphemed God; repent not.

Rev. 16:10-11 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

the fifth Trumpet: please notice the key words - the star fall from heaven(= the angel of the bottomless pit); darken the sun and air; desire to die but death flee from them; ten elements (of determined nature of the beast).

Rev. 9:1-11 Please read the text.

I see the parallelism between the fifth Plague and Trumpet;

1) the seat of the beast => the fallen star which is the angel of the bottomless pit (= the beast);
2) full of spiritual darkness => darken the sun and air by the reason of the smoke (Catholic system intercepts prayers of saints);
3) gnawed tongues for pain => seek death but flees from them (shall be tormented by refusing to be sealed of God);
4) repented not => ferocious descriptions of the ten elements of the fallen star(= the beast=Catholic).

The reformers risen out from Catholic through the Dark Ages in history. Their cry is "how long, O Lord, avenge our blood?" This is the fifth seal description. God told them to wait until
the number of martyrs are filled. Rev. 18:20 and 19:2 indicate when the time of God's recompense is.
Rev. 18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her."
Rev. 19:2 "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and
hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand."

The fifth church of Sardis has the background of Reformation Period. Rev. 3:4 "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments;
and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy."

There is a profound understanding in the method a linier perspective for interpreting Revelation of the four pillars.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197707
06/21/24 08:34 AM
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The comparison of the four pillars, seven churches, seals, trumpets, and plagues in the fifth linear starkly reveals the presence of impending death.

The fifth church condition teeters on the edge of this grim reality. Rev. 3:1-2 "...I?know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.."

The fifth seal indicates that the martyrs are crying out from under the altar, seeking vengeance for their blood. Rev. 6:9-10 "...he souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:?And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

God inflicts the fifth plague on the Papacy, the seat of the beast that persecuted and killed reformers during the Middle Ages. Rev. 16:10-11 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."

The identity of the fallen star in the fifth trumpet is that of the angel of the bottomless pit where spiritual darkness resides. Rev. 9:1-11 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven?....the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

In the fifth element of the four pillars, we discover the root cause of the issue and why God must punish the seat of the beast.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197752
07/11/24 11:41 AM
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The discussion and insight reveal the prophetic perspective within the fifth element of the four pillars, requiring more than belief. It demands faith in action, specifically through the proclamation of the Seven Trumpets' message.

God's promises are not just words, they are assurances that multitudes will respond to the prophetic message. This is a beacon of hope in the darkness.

Isa. 60:4-5 "Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee."

Is it time now? A plague will consume the beast's kingdom as it reaches the limit of God's mercy. As written in Rev. 18:20, God will avenge the blood of the Myrtles and their prayers that have risen to the throne.

Rev. 18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her."

Rev. 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

Deut. 32:30 "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the?Lord?had shut them up?

True faith, the kind of faith that God requires, will always produce the results that God has promised. This will result in one person chasing a thousand and two people putting ten thousand to flight. Therefore, our declaration that the beast's seat will receive the fifth plague for the killing of the prophets and the saints will compel many to abandon their kingdom and join our cause.

Rev. 17:16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."
The ten kings of the earth, represented by the ten horns, will turn against the beast and launch an attack on it by 1) hating the whore, 2) making her desolate, 3) making her naked, 4) eating her flesh, and 5) burning her with fire.

Lev. 26:8 "And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword."

Joshua 23:10 "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the?Lord?your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you."

Isa. 30:17 "One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197771
07/18/24 11:17 AM
07/18/24 11:17 AM
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Consider this: The four pillars?Seven Churches, Seals, Trumpets, and Plagues?hold profound messages. Now, what if we read them in reverse? Though not widely practiced, this unconventional approach can be a powerful tool for understanding and forming meaningful connections. It's a fresh perspective that could unlock new insights.

Since the Seven Churches and Seals are parallel, we should read the Seals before the Churches. The first seal depicts a rider on a white horse conquering with a bow, symbolizing the powerful global spread of the Gospel. It represents the external condition of the church period. Next, we should read about the first church, which symbolizes the Apostolic period of purity and reveals the internal condition of the church.

You should try using the second element. By doing so, you'll actively engage with the text and gain a deeper understanding of its profound messages.

For instance, the second seal represents the external condition of the church during persecution, which aligns with the statement of the second church, "You shall have tribulation ten days: be faithful unto death."

I'm confident that you can complete the task alone this time, and I wish you success. Your understanding and interpretation of the book of Revelation will be enriched by this unconventional method.

How about doing the same with Seven Trumpets and Plagues in reverse order? Start by reading the first plague and then the first trumpet, and continue.

For instance, the first plague was poured upon the earth to punish those who had the mark of the beast and worshipped his image. Now, consider the first trumpet, which states, "hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." The first trumpet warns of an impending disaster upon the earth, aiming to destroy the wicked in fire. It's important to remember that the tree and grass symbolize humankind (Dan 4:21-23; Psalm 1:3; Isa. 40:6). Ultimately, the wicked remain, accept the mark of the beast, and worship his image upon the earth.

Remember to use this method when studying the book of Revelation. Blessings!

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