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Why is rejection of the SOP happening? #168939
10/12/14 10:43 AM
10/12/14 10:43 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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I came across the following which seems to be a very strong indictment of the brothers and sisters who have outright rejected anything from the SOP or that Ellen White voiced. Here is the quote:

Many who have backslidden from the truth assign as a reason for their course, that they do not have faith in the testimonies. Investigation reveals the fact that they had some sinful habit that God through the testimonies condemned. The question with them is, will they yield their idol which God condemns, or will they continue in their wrong course of indulgence, and reject the light God has given them, reproving the very things in which they delight? The question to be settled with them is, shall I receive, as of God, the testimonies which reprove my sins, and deny myself, or shall I reject the testimonies because they reprove my sins? p. 38, Para. 1, [26OT].

Can this really be the underlying reason of what is happening for those who have rejected the SOP.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #168967
10/13/14 12:23 AM
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Your question is not that clear Rick...

But of the many major areas of counsel given by Ellen White (Health reform, medical work, educational system, monogamy, investment, insurance, etc....) can you name even three where Silver Springs is leading out in obedience?
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Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #168991
10/13/14 07:09 PM
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There are several reasons.

1. The misuse of her writings using sentences, often compiled together, to prove this or that has turned people off -- mainly those who have not read her writings in context.

2. The life style she presents as God's higher ground, is not appreciated or wanted.

3. The aims of the rebel in the Great Controversy as well as those working to bring his aims to fruition in a worship system that includes all under one head and cause the whole world to worship the dragon, the beast, and his image are too plainly exposed in EGW's writings.
The truth of how to escape this snare are also pointed out in her writings.
This type of information is thus a major fortress that must be knocked down for the counterfeit worship plan to move forward as the "answer" to the world's problems.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #168997
10/13/14 11:46 PM
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A. This quote is just wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.
B. Is it just me, or does anyone else find it a bit self serving (not to mention pointless) that one would use ones writings to condem those who don't believe...your writings. Ie: You have rejected God because you rejected my writings.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #169006
10/14/14 05:19 AM
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Why is it self serving?
The quote does not say "you have rejected God because you rejected my writings"
Nor does it give a strong indictment in rejecting EVERYTHING EGW voiced as a person. The issue is -- are the testimonies written to reveal something that God had shown concerning various problems, calls to repentance, or warning messages?

The quote is saying God sent a message to reprove sin, and rather than turn to Christ and forsake their sin they discounted the messenger.

That is the usual practice of the people even back in Bible times in how they respond when God sent a messenger to reprove their sins. They would get rid of the messenger rather than go to Christ in repentance.

There were other prophets (in scripture) who claimed their message of reprove was from God, and to reject that message was rejecting God.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #169015
10/14/14 12:26 PM
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I'm sure there are many reasons for so. Sadly what I've seen with many is their bitterness towards the Church. This bitterness is equally seen in those who claim to be reformers and uplift the original EGW writings. Anyway, this bitterness will lead to blindness also as it will corrupt their judgment and studies.

Coming from another perspective, I see the Church neglecting deligence studying of the law(the foundation of all truth) and refuse to test all things(EGW writtings, Church doctrines and beliefs, and etc...) against it. I think that is very serious that this basic Bereans type of work is not done and has never been done in our Chruch while not encouraging it and accusing and intimidating anyone that does. Then on the forums we see most use millions of EGW lines(which is not tested) to prove their belief rather than the Bible. These are strong signs that the Church has made an idol with EGW's writings.

In Eze 14:1-10 says that anyone that comes before the Lord to inquire with heart idols; the Lord will answer them according to the multitude of their heart idols; in another word He will feed your heart idols.("I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;"Eze 14:4)

I believe their are some inspired EGW writings but at the same time many that are not. My current focuss is to get familiar with what the Bible teaches. I'm not in the quest to disprove or test EGW writings. However, in many Bible studies, many have brought EGW to interpret scriptures that the actual plain scripture text doesn't say that. A lot of speculation and adding to scriptures is often done in EGW writings that often other scriptures is not in harmony with EGW interpretation.

I don't believe EGW was reveal all things nor did the Lord correct all errors in her or the pioneers belief system. Many of her writings is what she limitly understood which is fine, but should not be treated as truth.

Instead of studying the topic further with scriptures when shown some EGW quotes is not in harmony, most SDAs opt to ignore scriptures and accuse the other of not believing in EGW's writings and walk away. I think this type of phenomena happens a lot when anyone studies the Bible and are being honest when comparing with EGW writings. And being accused and condemned by other SDAs doesn't help the situation.

The day the Church will want to test all writings of EGW to take out what is not in harmony with scriptures, is the day more people will accept the writings that did come from the Lord.


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Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #169036
10/14/14 05:37 PM
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The problem is everyone sets their interpretation of both scripture and EGW's writings above what God is really saying in HIS WORD.
The critical Bible interpreters have already claimed much of the Bible is not reliable, so we can expect people to do the same to EGW's writings.
Nothing is stable when people set themselves up to weed out what they think is not inspired.

I have found those who get really deep into the Jewish interpretation of the Torah tend to have a shallow appreciation of the NT. Those who throw out the OT as not profitable for doctrine also cut away the whole truth.

Those who think they can "take out" everything they think is not in harmony with scripture from EGW, will all take out different things, till nothing much is left.

Personally I have yet to find any writings that uphold both OT and NT in a beautiful balance flowing with truth based on scripture, like EGW's messages. I believe she is a messenger sent BY GOD to point us back to the truths of scripture especially as we face the crises of the last days.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: dedication] #169043
10/14/14 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
The problem is everyone sets their interpretation of both scripture and EGW's writings above what God is really saying in HIS WORD.
The critical Bible interpreters have already claimed much of the Bible is not reliable, so we can expect people to do the same to EGW's writings.
Nothing is stable when people set themselves up to weed out what they think is not inspired.

I have found those who get really deep into the Jewish interpretation of the Torah tend to have a shallow appreciation of the NT. Those who throw out the OT as not profitable for doctrine also cut away the whole truth.

Those who think they can "take out" everything they think is not in harmony with scripture from EGW, will all take out different things, till nothing much is left.

Personally I have yet to find any writings that uphold both OT and NT in a beautiful balance flowing with truth based on scripture, like EGW's messages. I believe she is a messenger sent BY GOD to point us back to the truths of scripture especially as we face the crises of the last days.


I am in full agreement with you, dedication.

I have never been in the interpretation of Jewish Torah, but there might be a few things we could learn from Jewish archeology. For long I wondered what was the true meaning of

Quote:
You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.


Now I understand that Jewish archeology shows us that the meaning of preparing a table in the presence of enemies means a full truce and forgiveness. That makes sense, doesn't it?

Last edited by Johann; 10/14/14 09:19 PM. Reason: spelling

"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: gordonb1] #169044
10/14/14 09:40 PM
10/14/14 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1

Your question is not that clear Rick...

But of the many major areas of counsel given by Ellen White (Health reform, medical work, educational system, monogamy, investment, insurance, etc....) can you name even three where Silver Springs is leading out in obedience?
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Quoting Ted Wilson at the current meetings:

Quote:
“We have a great love for the Spirit of Prophecy,” said President Ted Wilson as he introduced Nix. That has certainly been evident at this meeting, as seemingly every person stepping to a microphone has quoted White’s writings.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: dedication] #169046
10/14/14 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Why is it self serving?
The quote does not say "you have rejected God because you rejected my writings"


Yes, it does.
And she says so in those exact words in other places.
And no, I'm not going to look up where for you. I don't no longer "study" Ellen White.

Last edited by JAK; 10/14/14 10:25 PM.

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