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Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: daylily] #180697
06/07/16 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: daylily
Originally Posted By: kland
Spend a lot more money on research? Why? We've already been given the solution over 100 years ago. In fact, over 6,000 years ago.

Simple. Stop eating bad food. And don't eat too much good food. Shall we cut off a person's hands or part of their stomach because their stomach is their god?

Show me someone who had acquired diabetes and who eats a healthful diet and I'll show you someone who has become free!

I know of very very few, if any, who are willing to do that. Many would rather amputate a leg rather than give up their pleasure.





Apparently one can eat a healthful diet and still have blood sugar problems. Both my parents and one grandma had diabetes. Type 2. I have eaten a healthy vegetarian diet since I was 18 (I am now almost 62) and a healthy vegan diet for the last 25 years or so. I have not eaten candy, cookies, or other junk food since around age 18 and raised my kids not to be junk food eaters.

I am 5'8" tall and weigh 120 lbs. A few years ago, I started having high blood sugars after meals and still do if I don't restrict carbs. Keep in mind that I haven't eaten bad carbs for decades. My only beverage is water. Sometimes unsweetened herb tea medicinally. I'm talking about whole grains, beans, fruits. My fasting blood, so far, is excellent.

I know that stress is a huge factor in developing diabetes and I've had a good bit of it through my life. Now my older daughter who weighs about 117 lbs is having the same problem. Something is going on besides a bad diet! Our diet is excellent. We grow much of our own food, organically, keep as many chemicals as possible out of our lives, etc.
This does appear that you have a situation unusual from the norm. Lot's of times when people say they eat "healthy", that means they drink "organic" soda. But with eating no animal products, eating the whole grains, and I'm assuming not much processed food, it does sound unusual to me.

Glad to hear your fasting blood is excellent. Do you do a test right after meals to know you have high blood sugar?

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Rick H] #180698
06/07/16 09:49 PM
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Nothing "reverses" type 2 diabetes, it can reduce the level but it still remains.
Nothing reverses Type 1 diabetes. Type 2 can be reversed and often with in days or weeks on the right diet. Type 1 Diabetes comes from destruction of the Islet cells in the pancreas so that the pancreas does not produce insulin. Type 2 patients become resistant to insulin.
Not reversed, but reduce the damage, Type 2 stays just at lower levels so the damage to the kidneys and other organs is less, but if you were to eat any high levels of sugar, the damage would again being and start to appear on your charts, trust me I have "reversed" it several times.
Not exactly what you're saying here.

Do you mean like there's no way to reverse obesity, that if one starts back with supersizing big Macs obesity will start appearing again, as many have done repeatedly?

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180699
06/07/16 09:56 PM
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By the way, while most obese people probably have diabetes, it doesn't mean thin people eat a healthy diet. Some people can get by eating poorly and it not show. Eating a "vegetarian" diet is not necessarily a healthy diet. But eating something like fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains prepared in as a simple and natural a manner as possible....

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: kland] #180701
06/07/16 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: daylily
Originally Posted By: kland
Spend a lot more money on research? Why? We've already been given the solution over 100 years ago. In fact, over 6,000 years ago.

Simple. Stop eating bad food. And don't eat too much good food. Shall we cut off a person's hands or part of their stomach because their stomach is their god?

Show me someone who had acquired diabetes and who eats a healthful diet and I'll show you someone who has become free!

I know of very very few, if any, who are willing to do that. Many would rather amputate a leg rather than give up their pleasure.





Apparently one can eat a healthful diet and still have blood sugar problems. Both my parents and one grandma had diabetes. Type 2. I have eaten a healthy vegetarian diet since I was 18 (I am now almost 62) and a healthy vegan diet for the last 25 years or so. I have not eaten candy, cookies, or other junk food since around age 18 and raised my kids not to be junk food eaters.

I am 5'8" tall and weigh 120 lbs. A few years ago, I started having high blood sugars after meals and still do if I don't restrict carbs. Keep in mind that I haven't eaten bad carbs for decades. My only beverage is water. Sometimes unsweetened herb tea medicinally. I'm talking about whole grains, beans, fruits. My fasting blood, so far, is excellent.

I know that stress is a huge factor in developing diabetes and I've had a good bit of it through my life. Now my older daughter who weighs about 117 lbs is having the same problem. Something is going on besides a bad diet! Our diet is excellent. We grow much of our own food, organically, keep as many chemicals as possible out of our lives, etc.
This does appear that you have a situation unusual from the norm. Lot's of times when people say they eat "healthy", that means they drink "organic" soda. But with eating no animal products, eating the whole grains, and I'm assuming not much processed food, it does sound unusual to me.

Glad to hear your fasting blood is excellent. Do you do a test right after meals to know you have high blood sugar?


I check it one hour after beginning to eat and then at two hours. This is recommended by Dr. Wes Youngberg in his book "Goodbye Diabetes" and others. He has a chart in his book that shows levels for fasting, one hour and two hours with the numbers that indicate optimal, Stages 1-5 high blood sugar. Stage 3 is pre-diabetes, Stage 4 is advanced pre-diabetes and Stage 5 is Diabetes. For instance, one hour after the meal, optimal blood sugar is 80-199, Stage 1 is 120-139, etc.

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180721
06/10/16 04:03 PM
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I didn't understand if stages 1 and 2 are good or bad. What stage do you test at and is it consistent?

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180728
06/10/16 05:20 PM
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Dr. Youngberg says that diabetes is starting with the different stages. If it is not addressed early, a person will "suddenly" develop full-blown diabetes and be surprised by it. But the fact is that it began long before and gradually got worse and worse. He calls Stage 1 High Blood Sugar and so forth. Sorry I was unclear on that!

Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: daylily] #180735
06/11/16 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: daylily
Dr. Youngberg says that diabetes is starting with the different stages. If it is not addressed early, a person will "suddenly" develop full-blown diabetes and be surprised by it. But the fact is that it began long before and gradually got worse and worse. He calls Stage 1 High Blood Sugar and so forth. Sorry I was unclear on that!


There really is not a sudden 'event' that you develop the diabetes, it is there genetically in my family, and comes as your body ages. I knew from the age of 12 I had it but the doctors categorically said I did not have it and refused to accept it since I had a good diet and lifestyle and was very active and tests never ever showed any sign of diabetes. So if their tests didn't show it, then in their mind it did not exist.

So much for doctors, well my girlfriend who is now my wife, researched and read on it and talked to her sisters who were married to doctors or in the medical field and found all the symptoms of diabetes and I had every one of them except for one found in women. So she told me to go to the doctors and tell them I had diabetes and to treat me, as all the damage was beginning to manifest itself.

Well the doctors still refused to believe it as the diabetes slowly destroyed my body. So she came to the doctor and challenged them directly and they finally agreed to do the A1C long term test for diabetes, but told us we would have to pay since "I wasn't a diabetic" according to all their tests so the insurance would not allow for the A1C. So they did it and guess what, they scrambled as if their lives depended on it as they knew I could sue for all the years they had misdiagnosed me as my body fell apart. Well the damage has been done and through diet and exercise I have 'reversed' many of the effects, but who will give me my 20/20 vision back, and heal the damage to my body or restore my liver and kidney functions and give my feeling back to my feet and toes....I have to wait till Christ restores me when He comes, don't put your trust in man is all I can say...

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Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180737
06/11/16 01:10 PM
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Rick - you have left a lot of information out of your story. What were your blood sugar levels? What tests did your doctors do that showed you did NOT have diabetes? Obviously the simplest test is your blood sugar level. Was it never high when they tested it? No sugar in your urine? You mention you had all the symptoms of diabetes, "I had every one of them except for one found in women", but do not mention what they were which are often thirst and frequent urination, but then your urine sugar should have been high. Your doctors "tests didn't show it, then in their mind it did not exist" so what was there that they missed? If your tests were negative, where were they going to then treat? Are they going to give you blood sugar lowering drugs when your blood sugars are normal?

You then blame doctors for not treating your disease but you do understand standard treatment of type II diabetes can actually increase your cardiovascular risk, right? Have you read the package inserts for many of the drugs used to treat type II diabetes? Read the black box warnings. They may have done you a favor! What did you expect the doctors to do?

You then say you were eating a "healthy diet" but now you have "through diet and exercise I have 'reversed' many of the effects" when begs the question of what your diet was before which brought on the disease? What is different now?

Change subject - Dr. Wes Youngberg is NOT a physician. That may actually be the best part of his work!


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180742
06/11/16 07:32 PM
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I have a friend at church who developed neuropathy in her feet, legs and hands but her blood sugars were always normal when the doctors tested. They kept telling her she did not have diabetes and she had all kinds of neurological tests done. They told her the neuropathy was consistent with a diabetes diagnosis and finally her fasting blood sugar went high enough and she was officially diagnosed with diabetes.

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Re: Reversing Type 2 Diabetes [Re: Wendell Slattery] #180743
06/11/16 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: daylily
I have a friend at church who developed neuropathy in her feet, legs and hands but her blood sugars were always normal when the doctors tested. They kept telling her she did not have diabetes and she had all kinds of neurological tests done. They told her the neuropathy was consistent with a diabetes diagnosis and finally her fasting blood sugar went high enough and she was officially diagnosed with diabetes.
And still the most important part is unknown in your story, a detailed account of her lifestyle before diagnosis. And while maybe halve of cases of neuropathy can be attributed to Diabetes, there are many other causes that need to be considered. If a person does not have elevated blood sugars, would you expect a physician to treat diabetes? Most physiciaans do not know about health reform, though there are encouraging signs that is changing. As Adventists, we "should" know the path to take, but which will take study for each individual.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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