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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: dedication] #181630
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Could it be that God has raised up a prophet to make straight the paths just before Christ's second coming?

It is true that "before Christ's first coming God sent a prophet to prepare the way for Him." However, Jesus and John were contemporaries; John arrived first, preaching and baptizing, then Jesus followed during his lifetime.

If you are trying to use this analogy to establish that White is the prophet for the end days, I must reject this line of reasoning on the grounds that she has been dead for a hundred-no! wait! a hundred and one years. The world we live in now bears almost no resemblance to her day.


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: His child] #181631
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God always sends a messenger with a warning before He imposes judgment.

Always? That statement pre-supposes that you are acquainted with every instance where God imposed judgement. At best, one only knows those instances revealed in Scripture.

Originally Posted By: His child


Jonah was the rare exception, folks listened to him.


This also presupposes that you also know the outcome of every one of God's judgements.

dunno


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Nadi] #181634
10/11/16 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi


If you are trying to use this analogy to establish that White is the prophet for the end days, I must reject this line of reasoning on the grounds that she has been dead for a hundred-no! wait! a hundred and one years. The world we live in now bears almost no resemblance to her day.


That's the most amazing part --
The things she said would happen just before the end sounded IMPOSSIBLE in her day, but it's definitely NOT impossible today-- There is no way anyone can convince me she is "outdated" on endtime events.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Charity] #181654
10/14/16 09:43 AM
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The Lord does not suffer wicked practises to go on without sending reproof and warning. There are men in high places who know of the reproofs, of warnings, of judgment sent, who know the example of God's dealings with others who have been disobedient, yet who have not sought to correct their ways before God. They have endeavored rather to make of none effect the messages that God has sent. They have continued to exalt themselves, and to carry out their own ways in defiance of the words of God. They have not been ignorant of the right way, but they have allowed their eyes to be blinded. In pronouncing judgment upon these, God will say, as he said to the wicked king, "Thou . . . hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this." {RH, September 24, 1908 par. 11}


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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Charity] #181697
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There is probably more credible evidence that Ellen White was a true prophet than of any other prophet since creation. For example, JN Loughborough, in his book The Great Second Advent Movement, Its Rise and Progress gives example after example of documented events witnessed by himself and reliable witnesses. These were cases where the Lord showed her things she couldn't possibly have know about, often rebuking hidden sins that only the guilty party knew of, or decisive church meetings in which she was not present but the Lord showed her exactly what took place before the meeting occurred. Dozens of people witnessed her while she was in vision. In all her visions she had no breath but spoke distinctly - a physical impossibility without breath - and did things in vision that were completely beyond the strength of the strongest men such as holding a heavy Bible at arms length for half an hour at a time. This is just a small part of the evidence. Joseph Bates and many other credible sources could be cited.

The rejection of her testimony in the Seventh-day Adventist church is well on it's way to complete fulfillment. It has already been made of no effect in most denominational schools in many areas - dress codes, dating standards, competitive sports, balance of work/study, the bible as the main textbook, agriculture and natural healing at the core of the curriculum for all students, practical skills as central. A similar state exists in our health institutions.

At this month's Annual Counsel that just ended Elder Ted Wilson called for educational reform. That was a good thing to say. Unfortunately he has crippled his own influence by not acting decisively in other areas such as the rebellion of the unions and conferences against the GC on women's ordination.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Charity] #181698
10/22/16 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: mark
At this month's Annual Counsel that just ended Elder Ted Wilson called for educational reform. That was a good thing to say. Unfortunately he has crippled his own influence by not acting decisively in other areas such as the rebellion of the unions and conferences against the GC on women's ordination.
Elder Ted should understand why Ellen White supported the formation of the Unions. Precisely to counter what the GC has recently contemplated doing to the Unions. From EGW perspective, WHO are the ones in rebellion? Hint: Not the Unions.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: APL] #181709
10/24/16 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: mark
At this month's Annual Counsel that just ended Elder Ted Wilson called for educational reform. That was a good thing to say. Unfortunately he has crippled his own influence by not acting decisively in other areas such as the rebellion of the unions and conferences against the GC on women's ordination.
Elder Ted should understand why Ellen White supported the formation of the Unions. Precisely to counter what the GC has recently contemplated doing to the Unions. From EGW perspective, WHO are the ones in rebellion? Hint: Not the Unions.


Yes APL, it is the unions and conferences in some instances, that are in rebellion. Some divisions as well. Clearly contrary to the teaches of Ellen G. White.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Nadi] #181710
10/24/16 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi
Originally Posted By: His child
God always sends a messenger with a warning before He imposes judgment.

Always? That statement pre-supposes that you are acquainted with every instance where God imposed judgement. At best, one only knows those instances revealed in Scripture.

Originally Posted By: His child


Jonah was the rare exception, folks listened to him.


This also presupposes that you also know the outcome of every one of God's judgements.

dunno


As far as the first statement about warning, Yes!; always.

God is extremely just and never holds anyone accountable for sin unless they are warned first! So, there isn't any exception to this attribute of God.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Charity] #181714
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There is rebellion of the unions. Whether right or wrong, they are going against the structure of our church. Perhaps the structure is wrong?

This won't end well. Either/or/and the rebellion will continue and/or the General Conference will prove non-relevant.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: APL] #181860
11/09/16 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: mark
At this month's Annual Counsel that just ended Elder Ted Wilson called for educational reform. That was a good thing to say. Unfortunately he has crippled his own influence by not acting decisively in other areas such as the rebellion of the unions and conferences against the GC on women's ordination.
Elder Ted should understand why Ellen White supported the formation of the Unions. Precisely to counter what the GC has recently contemplated doing to the Unions. From EGW perspective, WHO are the ones in rebellion? Hint: Not the Unions.


I wrote to Elder Wilson about his rebellion last week:

Brother Wilson,

There is no doubt that God loves you! The evidence is all about you. But because God loves you, His rebuke is upon you and the church for which Christ gave His precious life that is suffering on account of your sins and rebellion against the will of God.

A video was shown at church Sabbath (yesterday) in which you lamented the lack of unity within the church and the departure of some members from the tried and true waymarks established when God founded the Seventh Day Adventist Church as a movement in prophetic history. But the leader of the rebellion against God is yourself, Brother Wilson. And for that you must make confession and reformation before it is forever too late.

The will of God in ordaining Ellen White to be a gospel minister in the Seventh-day Adventist Church is settled theology. If the LORD did not want a woman to be ordained He would not have blessed that waymark that He placed in this Church at its prophetic onset. But the misconstruing of this issue is not unlike that of circumcision in Paul's day. The pro-circumcision party had God's word in Genesis on their side, and tradition, and the law of Moses; and Paul did not have a single text to prove that they were wrong, but Christ had come to fulfill the law and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit made it known to Paul that that which had been ordained was no longer Present Truth.

You decry that some are departing from the waymarks, while you lead the rebellion in this instance. Not only have you denied the leading of God in the ordination of Ellen White, but by not seeing the truth in the Scriptures, you have cherished the darkness of man's pride. Have you not read Christ's prayer to our Father which art in Heaven, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"? In the Revelation of God that HE gave to Jesus Christ, HIS will is revealed: the redeemed in Heaven are kings and priests before God. Are men only to be redeemed?

But knowing the way that the LORD has led in our past church history, knowing that God's will is to be done on earth as it is in Heaven, knowing the view of Brother Jan Paulson, who sat in your seat, and continuing to rebel against the LORD is the grievous sin that is causing the damage of which you lament. Cause is followed by effect. The unity of the body in Heaven and earth is fractured. And those who are remaining faithful and refusing to follow a path that violates a clear thus saith the LORD are being defamed as the rebels. But that is as it should be to fulfill that which is written.

The same is true about new light that God has been pleased to give to the SDA Church that is being cast as if it is all sorts of errors that are trying be brought into the Church. The call to stay true to historicism is an effort to exalt man's methodology above a thus saith the LORD. Historicism is only as good a methodology as those who follow it correctly make it. When historicism is followed incorrectly, it is a blight. But like woman's ordination, historicism out of focus will tear the unity from the heart of God's Church.

I am not under the deception that you will hear me any more than your dad valued the copy of the Gorbachev letter that I forwarded to him so many years ago to give him some insight as to how God was working behind the scenes. But instead of waiting until after the fact as in my communication with your dad, I will tell you before it happens so that you will know that this is not my opinion to be brushed aside lightly. The word of the LORD has come to you to test you and your response will either be to buy eyesalve from Christ and the gold of faith that you need for this time or to seal your rebellion apart from Christ.

Iran will attack America after the results of the US election are made known. I suspect Donald Trump will win and that will be the catalyst because he has said that when he is president he will sink Iranian boats that violate the safety zone around our fleet at sea. After Iran attacks the US fleet, President Obama will take a 3rd term that will be an attack on America's Constitution. He will then attack God's Covenant (Sunday Law) and then God's people.

The events will be rapid ones. The work that could have been done in a time of peace and safety will be done in the most trying of circumstances and the 1888 attitude of the church leadership will be manifest for what it has been.

Do not delay to pray and listen to the very message of Present Truth that will refresh your soul. But if like those in Noah's day, who waited for it to rain to be sure that Noah had the Present Truth, by delaying, you will know the truth, but they had neglected to obey the message until they were sure; and it was too late to undo their delay when they know that Noah had the right message at the right time. There is no wisdom in repeating their folly.

We are in the final sealing time. Our characters will be sealed to the glory of God or we will be shaken from the platform. There is no middle ground for Laodiceans. Christ said I would that you were hot, but He will accept cold if that is what we choose.

Choose ye this day whom ye will serve, and let it be the LORD!

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