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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #181823
11/04/16 02:08 AM
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Do we know the events connected with the close of probation?
SOP says "The events connected with the close of probation and the work of preparation for the time of trouble, are CLEARLY PRESENTED" Mar. 263. (emphasis added).

Are we thinking those events are not revealed for us?
SOP says "Multitudes have no more understanding of these important truths than if they had never been revealed" Mar. 263.

I believe that the Seven Trumpets present to us clearly, whichever angle you may look, the tapestry leads to the imminent event of the close of probation. Notice the Seven Trumpets' events that many will be dead and tormented and slain, which will be fulfilled at the close of probation. Therefore, the message is given by the sound of the Seven Trumpet: loud and clear.

The seven plagues starts to fall prior to the close of probation. We should be able to discern what are the seven plagues which might be falling around us now since the close of probation is so near.

SOP says ""I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus' work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. The was the time of Jacob's trouble." Mar. 268.

The decree to slay saints came after unbearable plagues exist upon the humanity.
Notice the Seven Plagues, which exist now and worsening everyday.
"even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace" (Luke 19:42).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #181841
11/08/16 02:58 AM
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Each trumpet portrays the close of probation:
1) 1/3 humanity will be destroyed
2) 1/3 sea creature dies and ships destroyed
3) many men die by the drinking water turned bitter
4) heavenly bodies manifest signs of the time
5) spiritual torments to unsealed of God
6) the four angels loosened and 1/3 of men slain
7) the kingdoms of the earth becomes Christ's


The correlation of disobeying Ten Commandments of God with the Seven Plagues:

1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me: if anyone make the beast their god by receiving the mark of the beast and worshipping, they will be punished with noisome and grievous sore. 1/3 humanity will be destroyed by the diseases at the close of probation.
2) Thou shalt have no graven image: the image will be struck down by a stone that weighs a talent at the seventh plague like the image of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Then the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of Christ at the close of probation.
3) Thou shalt not call God's name in vain. The blaspheming God's name in the fourth plague causes the sun scorch heat. At the close of probation the heavenly bodies will show greatest signs of the time.
4) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. The purpose of the threefold union of the unclean spirits is to destroy Sabbath. At this attack the armies of heaven will be released to slay the wicked, namely at the close of probation.
5) Honor parents. The papacy is called "mother of harlot". The seat of the beast enforces worship and honor from the world. Therefore, the fifth plague falls upon the seat of the beast. At the close of probation, severe torments will be their portion.
6) Thou shalt not kill
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery
The violation of the number 6th and 7th commandments is usually viewed as the most woeful sin by people. And the fourth is viewed as senseless but the Sabbath is the pivotal commandment. Breaking this commandment will bring devastation as well.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witnesses.
The violation of #8 and #9 widespread like sea covering lands nowadays. The 2nd and third plague turn the water bloody or deadly. The water pollution tells us how close we are to the close of probation.
10) Thou shalt not covet. The unprecedented water pollution exist because of the sin problem of covetousness. The close of probation is clearly presented in the 2nd and third trumpets that the water will turn to bloody.
Much integrated affects of breaking God's Ten Commandments are apparently depicted in the Seven last plagues. And the coming plagues are warned by the Seven Trumpets.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #181984
11/25/16 01:02 AM
11/25/16 01:02 AM
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When you can realize that the Seven last Plagues are already falling around the world, you can know for sure that the close of probation is so near.
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The shadow of the Seven Plagues are already falling:
1) grievous sores upon men
2) sea became bloody and deadly
3) drinking water became bloody
4) sun scorching heat
5) seat of the beast darkened
6) three unclean spirits unite
7) It is done-voices, thundering, lightning, earthquake, and hail upon the earth

The first plague indicates that the 1/3 of mankind is affected with diseases—"foul and loathsome sores". The devastated current health condition of the world testifies that the end is here and the close of probation is imminent.

The second plague indicates that the sea water is polluted, which happens like unstoppable catastrophes—"great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8)— that brings devastation of sea creatures. As the result, the sea "became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" (Rev. 16:3), which is the second trumpet's warning.

The third plague poured upon the fresh water, which caused the water to turn bloody or deadly. Revelation tells us that the water turns to bloody because the saints' and prophets' blood were shed. (See Rev. 16:6). Thus many men died from the polluted water (Rev. 8:11).

The fourth plague indicates that heavenly body, the sun, causes unprecedented climate changes with heat. The fourth trumpet apparently denotes that the heavenly bodies not functioning properly—sun, moon and stars smitten.

The fifth plague poured upon the seat of the beast. Why? Because he and his kingdom (spiritual Babylon) caused so much torments to the earth dwellers. The warning of the beast's evil doing is described in Rev. Chap. 9, which is the fifth trumpet message.

The sixth plague presents as spiritual warfare. The three unclean spirits unite to 'get rid of' God's remnants—the Sabbath keepers. Their movement is known as Ecumenical Movement which is the self-imposed plague. Therefore, God will give a command to the four angels to loose their hold, which means the close of probation.

At the seventh plague, there is no more delay but Jesus to say, "It Is Done". Then the kingdom of this world will become the kingdom of God as the seventh trumpet announced.

Quote:
Each trumpet portrays the close of probation:
1) 1/3 humanity will be destroyed
2) 1/3 sea creature dies and ships destroyed
3) many men die by the drinking water turned bitter
4) heavenly bodies manifest signs of the time
5) spiritual torments to unsealed of God
6) the four angels loosened and 1/3 of men slain
7) the kingdoms of the earth becomes Christ's


Irrefutably, the Seven Trumpets are closely connected with the Seven Plagues. The first six plagues fall prior to the close probation, which is the theme of the Seven Trumpets. When the seventh plague pours upon the earth, because Jesus declared, "It Is Done", there is no more mediator between God and man.

The Seven Angels who received the Seven Trumpets will not blow their trumpets until Jesus finishes the mediatorial work in heaven and the probation ends. (See Rev. 8:6). However one of the Seven Angels speaks to John or even to us: 1) Rev. 17:1 and 2) Rev. 21:9 twice in the prophetic visions. When Jesus declares "It is done", then the Seven Angels will pour the Seven Vials of the Plagues.

The Seven Trumpets' message must be proclaimed by the people of God: the Seven Angels will not do our task, but instead, they will carry out the vials of the plagues at the end of probation according to the command of God.

Rev. 16:1 says, "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth".

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182080
12/06/16 01:40 AM
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Satan’s Strategy is to change the doctrine of truth, then the world will be deceived.
So here are his attacks on the important tenets:

1) Baptism by immersion changed to Sprinkling of water
2) Seventh-day Sabbath changed to Sunday observance
3) Soul to burn in eternal hell fire
4) Seven Trumpets (close of probation) to historical accounts

Bible speaks to us that the Seven Trumpets message is about the close of probation, which is imminently near. We must behold our High Priest who is about to come out from the Most Holy Place in heaven. This is the straight testimony from the Word of God!

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182147
12/16/16 10:22 PM
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In Rev. 8-11, all the elements are linked with the close of probation. Jesus' final phase of the ministration is the introduction to the Seven Trumpets message, which emphasizes clearly that the probationary time will come to end imminently.

Each trumpet's image portrays the "hurt" when the four angels are loosed. That is the language of the close of probation.

The Seven Trumpet's interlude mentions of the close of probation. Rev. 10:7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished".

The Seventh trumpet's sounding has been going out ever since Jesus has entered into the Most Holy Place in 1844. And all the seven trumpets message is sounding very clearly now.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182172
12/19/16 02:06 AM
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Theme of the close of probation is in the introduction of the Seven Trumpets. The final phase of the ministry of Jesus is clearly depicted in Rev. 8:3-5.

The image of the Angel, Jesus, who "came and stood at the altar" (Rev. 8:3) is enlarged and amplified in the sixth trumpet (Rev. 9:13,14). The image of the voice from the altar to loose the four angels is the same event as casting down the ashes, which denotes that Jesus finished His mediatorial work in the Most Holy Place in heaven. He declares "it is done" (Rev. 16:17) to complete the ministry.

Conclusively, the message of the Seven Trumpets is the future event, namely the close of probation. However, the sounding of the Seven Trumpets must be blown right now to warn the world for the kingdom of God is so near.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182194
12/20/16 01:38 PM
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Each trumpet describes the “hurt” when the four angels loose their hold:

Description of “hurt” indicating the close of probation----------Interpretation

1st Trumpet:1/3 of the trees and all green grass are burnt up----Tree = leaders; grass = common people; burnt up = health problem

2nd Trumpet:1/3 of the sea became bloody------Ocean life is polluted

3rd Trumpet:1/3 of the fresh water is made bitter---Fresh water is turned poisonous

4th Trumpet:1/3 of the heavenly bodies is darkened---Signs of cosmic disruption

5th Trumpet:“to hurt men” (Rev. 9:10)------Torment causes spiritual hurt

6th Trumpet:“they do hurt” (Rev. 9:19)-----The wicked get hurt (Rev. 9:20,21)

7th Trumpet:“become kingdoms of our Lord” (Rev. 11:15)-----Wicked are hurt by the 2nd Coming

The ministration of Jesus Christ is available (probationary time) as long as the four angels are holding the four winds. When the hold is released (close of probation), the four angels’ commission is completed and the plagues’ hurt magnifies as God’s wrath pours out to its full extent. 

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182240
12/26/16 10:00 AM
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Currently, while probation is still open, four other factors substantiate that the Seven Trumpets are present and future events:

1. The four angels are still holding the four winds of the earth (Rev. 7:1-3). This endorses that Jesus is still interceding for mankind. when the four winds will be let go, that marks the close of probation. This event is yet to come.

2. The seventh seal is not yet broken (Rev. 8:1), and when it does, the Seven Trumpets will transpire. The sixth seal depicts the Second Coming of Jesus; He has not arrived, therefore the half an hour of silence in the seventh seal is a future event: “When he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven … AND I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets” (Rev. 8:1,2).

3. There is no command to release the four angels yet (Rev. 9:14). The four angels are still holding the four winds of “hurt.” When the release happens, the 200 million holy angels symbolized as horsemen will prepare to slay the wicked. This event marks the close of probation, which has not occurred, therefore it is a future event.

4. Structurally the introduction of the Seven Trumpets starts with Jesus’ final ministration, therefore each trumpet’s message is applicable during this probationary period, which began in 1844. Thus the Seven Trumpets message is a current event heralding future events that still must happen.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182248
12/29/16 02:10 AM
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The Seven Trumpets are intimately related with the Seven Plagues. Unlike what some people think, they are not a recapitulation of the Seven Churches and the Seven Seals.

The Seven Trumpets are given to the Seven Angels (Rev. 8:2), who also carry the seven vials of the plague. Thus we know these angels are the connecting link between the trumpets and the plagues.

God's command to us is "Go, prophesy again" for there is our Intercessor, Jesus Christ.
His command to the Seven Angels is "Go, pour out the vials of plagues" at the close of probation.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182269
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
The Seven Trumpets are intimately related with the Seven Plagues. Unlike what some people think, they are not a recapitulation of the Seven Churches and the Seven Seals.

The Seven Trumpets are given to the Seven Angels (Rev. 8:2), who also carry the seven vials of the plague. Thus we know these angels are the connecting link between the trumpets and the plagues.

God's command to us is "Go, prophesy again" for there is our Intercessor, Jesus Christ.
His command to the Seven Angels is "Go, pour out the vials of plagues" at the close of probation.

The seventh trumpet sounds and it is finished (Rev. 11:15). How can it be finished and still continue towards the seven last plagues? Perhaps you might want to rethink "non-recapitulation".

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