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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: James Peterson] #187334
08/22/18 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by Ellen White, whom He has appointed heir of His Spirit of Prophecy, through whom also He made available to us the Testimonies because of which His Church shall be purged of her rejectors, shaken out that those who remain shall be safe in the glory of her excellent name. Heb. 1:1-4

ROFL


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: Charity] #187398
09/02/18 12:29 AM
09/02/18 12:29 AM
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Jesus came to this earth in order to save us --

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

That is the basic foundation!

A prophet is simply a messenger pointing us to Jesus and eternal realities. They are simply human beings like everyone else with a special work to do for God.

Jesus being our Savior doesn't mean God no longer speaks to us through prophets.
He has spoken through prophets in many different times and ways.

And God promised to send messages through the prophets:



Mainstream Christians look at us askew and tell us that God no longer speaks through prophets since the time of the apostles.

Yet the Bible says:
"Do not despise prophesying, but test everything; hold fast what is good. 1 Thess. 5:20,21. (RSV)
Yes, it behooves us to be cautious when it comes to modern prophets for Matthew 24:24 tells us that many false prophets will arise to deceive. However, Christ does not warn us against all prophets, but only false prophets. We are admonished to "test" prophesying. We are counseled not to despise prophesying. We are urged to hold fast to the true.


Now let's look at Revelation 1:1-3 here we read that "The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to Him, to show to His servants things which must shortly come to pass" "given to his servant John" (the prophet) "who bare record of the word and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of the things he saw. Blessed is he that reads and they that hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written therein..."

Here the sequence is plain. The testimony of Jesus Christ is clearly linked to the prophecies of things that must come to pass, it is linked to God sending a message through a prophet (John in this case) that people may read and know and understand what must soon come to pass. Coupled with this is the admonition that this knowledge will change the person and they will "keep those things which are written."

If the testimony of Jesus is a gift to confirm the church looking for the coming of the Lord, (1 Cor.1:6,7) and if the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10) and if the gift of prophecy is one of the gifts the Holy Spirit bestows upon a church to edify the church for "he that prophesies edifies the church, (1 Cor. 14:4) would it not be reasonable to expect God to give His last day church a prophet?


How has God dealt with people in the past? Before any great calamity struck, God always sent a message of warning to His people. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets," says Amos 3:7. The old testament prophets faithfully warned and entreated the people as destruction was descending upon them. Most all of these spokesmen for God were scorned, ridiculed, persecuted and some were even killed. Rarely was a prophet who predicted the end of worldly prosperity and called for a forsaking of sins, welcomed by either the majority of the people or even the popular religious leader. The religious leaders would usually rather take the old writings and interpret them in a pleasing fashion, then listen to the warnings and reproofs of a present day prophet.

Yet God sent these men to His people to warn them. This gives us another reason to believe that God would not allow the horrendous predictions of Revelation to come to pass before sending strong prophetic messages to warn the people. Revelation speaks of a massive deception to sweep the world. It warns of terrible things to befall those who follow the beast and his image. It speaks of only a remnant of faithful clinging to God's commandments and the faith and testimony of Jesus. Would not God make it plain to the people how to avoid the deceptions of the last days which Revelation predicts?

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: dedication] #187409
09/02/18 09:04 PM
09/02/18 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Jesus came to this earth in order to save us --

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

That is the basic foundation!

A prophet is simply a messenger pointing us to Jesus and eternal realities. They are simply human beings like everyone else with a special work to do for God.

Jesus being our Savior doesn't mean God no longer speaks to us through prophets.
He has spoken through prophets in many different times and ways.

And God promised to send messages through the prophets:



Mainstream Christians look at us askew and tell us that God no longer speaks through prophets since the time of the apostles.

Yet the Bible says:
"Do not despise prophesying, but test everything; hold fast what is good. 1 Thess. 5:20,21. (RSV)
Yes, it behooves us to be cautious when it comes to modern prophets for Matthew 24:24 tells us that many false prophets will arise to deceive. However, Christ does not warn us against all prophets, but only false prophets. We are admonished to "test" prophesying. We are counseled not to despise prophesying. We are urged to hold fast to the true.


Now let's look at Revelation 1:1-3 here we read that "The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to Him, to show to His servants things which must shortly come to pass" "given to his servant John" (the prophet) "who bare record of the word and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of the things he saw. Blessed is he that reads and they that hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written therein..."

Here the sequence is plain. The testimony of Jesus Christ is clearly linked to the prophecies of things that must come to pass, it is linked to God sending a message through a prophet (John in this case) that people may read and know and understand what must soon come to pass. Coupled with this is the admonition that this knowledge will change the person and they will "keep those things which are written."

If the testimony of Jesus is a gift to confirm the church looking for the coming of the Lord, (1 Cor.1:6,7) and if the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10) and if the gift of prophecy is one of the gifts the Holy Spirit bestows upon a church to edify the church for "he that prophesies edifies the church, (1 Cor. 14:4) would it not be reasonable to expect God to give His last day church a prophet?


How has God dealt with people in the past? Before any great calamity struck, God always sent a message of warning to His people. "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets," says Amos 3:7. The old testament prophets faithfully warned and entreated the people as destruction was descending upon them. Most all of these spokesmen for God were scorned, ridiculed, persecuted and some were even killed. Rarely was a prophet who predicted the end of worldly prosperity and called for a forsaking of sins, welcomed by either the majority of the people or even the popular religious leader. The religious leaders would usually rather take the old writings and interpret them in a pleasing fashion, then listen to the warnings and reproofs of a present day prophet.

Yet God sent these men to His people to warn them. This gives us another reason to believe that God would not allow the horrendous predictions of Revelation to come to pass before sending strong prophetic messages to warn the people. Revelation speaks of a massive deception to sweep the world. It warns of terrible things to befall those who follow the beast and his image. It speaks of only a remnant of faithful clinging to God's commandments and the faith and testimony of Jesus. Would not God make it plain to the people how to avoid the deceptions of the last days which Revelation predicts?






So how do you interpret Heb. 1:1, "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken to us by Ellen White"?

If you were to reject her testimonies, would you be eternally lost?

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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: Charity] #187412
09/03/18 03:39 AM
09/03/18 03:39 AM
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The text says God has spoken to us through His Son!

We do need to focus much more on the words of Christ (which we generally find printed in red in our Bibles).

I thoroughly enjoy how the books --(Desire of Ages, Christ's Object Lessons, Thoughts from the Mount of Blessings) really bring the life and teachings of Jesus to our hearts.


As to your question --
if we reject the testimonies would we be lost?

It depends --
There is no merit to be earned or lost by our accepting or rejecting. Our only merits for salvation are from Christ.
But we do need to be serious as to WHAT about the message is being rejected, for it can affect our lives physically and spiritually.

How do you interprete the following?

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I

Zachariah 1:4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and [from] your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD.
1:5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever?
1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not take hold of your fathers?


Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: dedication] #187415
09/03/18 03:54 PM
09/03/18 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication

How do you interprete the following?

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God

  • It is imperative that you understand the context of that dire warning. At the beginning, the actions of Israel were listed:
     
    There is no truth or mercy
    Or knowledge of God in the land.
    By swearing and lying,
    Killing and stealing and committing adultery,
    They break all restraint,
    With bloodshed upon bloodshed.

     
  • The passage you quoted is expressed more clearly immediately following the list above:

    THEREFORE the land will mourn;
    And everyone who dwells there will waste away
    With the beasts of the field
    And the birds of the air;
    Even the fish of the sea will be taken away.

     
  • God is not destroying anyone for refusing to read the testimonies of Ellen White.1 Rather, SDA are like dumb dogs against the immorality of Las Vegas and Hollywood. They sleep while sin dances and sings in their country. Bigotry and violence have taken hold of the people. For which reason God says through Hosea:

    Now let no man contend, or rebuke another;
    For your people are like those who contend with the priest.
    Therefore you shall stumble in the day;
    The prophet also shall stumble with you in the night;
    And I will destroy your mother.

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1 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget your children. Hosea 4:6

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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 2 [Re: Charity] #187548
09/29/18 11:15 AM
09/29/18 11:15 AM
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Regarding...Hosea 4:6
Quote:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God"


It is the message to Laodicea...those who claim to be God's people and who claim to be rich and in need of nothing. They reject the messages that God gives at the time of His appointing. And Revelation is clear that the rich men will cry for the rocks to fall on them. Those who reject the knowledge that God sends them in mercy and love are destroyed because of their own choices.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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