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Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/04/18 11:32 PM
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A lot of people say Ellen White said not to use her quotes, or she says not to use it on the pulpit, or some variation of this. But that is not what she said, lets go over it in context:
On Quoting Sister White—How can the Lord bless those who manifest a spirit of “I don't care,” a spirit which leads them to walk contrary to the light which the Lord has given them? But I do not ask you to take my words. Lay Sister White to one side. Do not quote my words again as long as you live until you can obey the Bible. [Ellen White was meeting the leaders of the church as a group for the first time in ten years. Situations in both the General Conference and in our Battle Creek-based institutions had in many cases reached a low ebb. Testimonies calling for a return to Bible principles had been received, theoretically, but no real improvement had taken place.
Most delegates coming to the General Conference session, which would open the next morning, sensed that there must be changes. Ellen White would in the opening meeting rebuke institutional leaders and call for a reorganization of the General Conference. It was her burden that the changes that needed to be made would be based on Bible principles and not just on the word of Ellen White. In this address she declared:
“God has told me that my testimony must be borne to this Conference, and that I must not try to make men believe it. My work is to leave the truth with the people, and those who appreciate the light from heaven will accept the truth.”—Manuscript 43, 1901.
Counsel would come through her as the messenger of the Lord and this counsel should be heeded, but work in depth must be done, work based on the principles set forth in God's Word.—Compilers.] When you make the Bible your food, your meat, and your drink, when you make its principles the elements of your character, you will know better how to receive counsel from God. I exalt the precious Word before you today. Do not repeat what I have said, saying, “Sister White said this,” and “Sister White said that.” Find out what the Lord God of Israel says, and then do what He commands.—Manuscript 43, 1901. (From an address to church leaders the night before the opening of the General Conference session of 1901.) 3SM 33.1
Notice she says "Lay Sister White to one side. Do not quote my words again as long as you live until you can obey the Bible." and it was directed at the 1901 Conference leaders and some of them who had sent her away for 10 long years. Context is always important...
Last edited by Rick H; 08/04/18 11:34 PM.
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/07/18 11:11 AM
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Ellen White clearly said, "In the city of Portland the Lord ordained me as His messenger" {RH, May 18, 1911 par. 3}.
The prophet Malachi made it very clear "For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge...for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 2:7).
Simple truth utterly rejected by those in authority who should know better.
Then they teach others to reject the testimony that does not conform with their faulty opinions.
Bottom line: At times, sister White's positions are so twisted that some folks make her say something that she never said.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/22/18 06:34 AM
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Ellen White clearly said, "In the city of Portland the Lord ordained me as His messenger" {RH, May 18, 1911 par. 3}.
The prophet Malachi made it very clear "For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge...for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 2:7).
Simple truth utterly rejected by those in authority who should know better.
Then they teach others to reject the testimony that does not conform with their faulty opinions.
Bottom line: At times, sister White's positions are so twisted that some folks make her say something that she never said. So should she be used from the pulpit?
Last edited by Rick H; 08/22/18 06:34 AM.
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/22/18 01:27 PM
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So should she be used from the pulpit? SDA church services have good the way of the world. It has often been presented to me that there should be less sermonizing by ministers, acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, learn but little. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible-class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation. {Lt192-1906}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/23/18 09:01 AM
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Ellen White clearly said, "In the city of Portland the Lord ordained me as His messenger" {RH, May 18, 1911 par. 3}.
The prophet Malachi made it very clear "For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge...for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 2:7).
Simple truth utterly rejected by those in authority who should know better.
Then they teach others to reject the testimony that does not conform with their faulty opinions.
Bottom line: At times, sister White's positions are so twisted that some folks make her say something that she never said. So should she be used from the pulpit? If EGW is not quoted from the pulpit then no one else should be quoted from the pulpit other than the Bible. But it is common practice to quote sources other than Scripture. So are extra biblical sources that are quoted from the pulpit more authoritative than the Spirit of Prophecy?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/23/18 04:44 PM
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Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible-class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation. {Lt192-1906}
Unfortunately, rather than the main thing, there is very little Bible study going on in the churches I'm aware of. Go through the lesson of what someone else tells you what to think and that's about it.
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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08/24/18 01:38 AM
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Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible-class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation. {Lt192-1906}
Unfortunately, rather than the main thing, there is very little Bible study going on in the churches I'm aware of. Go through the lesson of what someone else tells you what to think and that's about it. Read the book, "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola and George Barna. It is an eye opener.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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09/01/18 10:44 AM
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Ellen White clearly said, "In the city of Portland the Lord ordained me as His messenger" {RH, May 18, 1911 par. 3}.
The prophet Malachi made it very clear "For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge...for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts" (Malachi 2:7).
Simple truth utterly rejected by those in authority who should know better.
Then they teach others to reject the testimony that does not conform with their faulty opinions.
Bottom line: At times, sister White's positions are so twisted that some folks make her say something that she never said. So should she be used from the pulpit? If EGW is not quoted from the pulpit then no one else should be quoted from the pulpit other than the Bible. But it is common practice to quote sources other than Scripture. So are extra biblical sources that are quoted from the pulpit more authoritative than the Spirit of Prophecy? I would agree, and of the opinion that this idea of not using the Spirit of Prophecy in its fullness is of an evil origin.
Last edited by Rick H; 09/01/18 10:44 AM.
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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09/01/18 11:15 PM
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There are two sides to this issue.
Yes, those who would ban the Spirit of Prophecy from the pulpit, are definitely banning something that was given for our good. Her writings do have an important place, and when used with propriety they add depth and relevancy to a sermon.
Yet some come to the pulpit and basically read through a long list of compiled quotes from EGW with only brief sentences of their own in between, and hardly NO actual Bible study. These "preachers" have a tendency to go on for well over an hour as there is always "one more quote" they have to read, that says what was already said 20 times, in just a slightly different way.
I do believe we should be preaching the BIBLE from the pulpit. Visitors that come to our church should see that we are a people of THE BOOK, seriously considering the messages of scripture.
When EGW is used to bring a Biblical passage into clearer focus, that's one thing, that's good; but when a compilation of her quotes constitutes the whole sermon, it tends to do more damage then good.
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Re: Using quotes from Ellen White
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09/02/18 01:42 AM
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I do believe we should be preaching the BIBLE from the pulpit. Part of the problem is we have too much pulpit preaching. It has often been presented to me that there should be less sermonizing by ministers acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, learn but little. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation. {Lt 192-1906}Much of the church service as conducted today is nothing like it was in the time of the apostles and shortly after when the church flourished. It has taken on may pagan rituals.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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