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The Flood #188003
12/09/18 12:24 AM
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What happened at the Flood, what forces where unleashed which only know are being understood in the immensity of its scale and power. Scientist are finding clues, but its a slow sledding as they say, as its tearing apart their favorite theory, evolution.

Let's take a look at Genesis 1:9-10:
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good”, Genesis 1:9-10.

God gathered the waters together into 'one place,' separate from the dry land of Earth, where He put the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, with all the trees and plants and the animals. So what happened to the dry land of the earth and all the things on it, in Noah's time? Geologists have stumbled across clues that allow them to begin reconstructing the sequence of events which happened from what can only the Biblical Flood. What survived the Flood makes it possible to begin putting together the puzzle, using what we know today of the earth's surface plates. Evidence indicates that the continents were broken from one piece and moved around, and crashed against the other plates, but the core pieces seem to have survived.

Geologists call the cores of these pieces "cratons" of which North America appears to be one of these cratons. They appear to have been joined together as one, as most scientist agree it was part of a major component of the earth's supercontinent, but violent forces from below, unleashed during the Flood, tore them into many fragments.

Geologist Antonio Snider-Pellegrini in 1859, noticed the jigsaw puzzle fit of North and South America with Europe and Africa if the Atlantic Ocean basin were closed up. He also read Genesis in the Bible and realized that the landmass God formed on Day 3 of the Creation Week was probably a supercontinent, which broke apart during the Flood and a continental shift opened up today's Atlantic Ocean. Thus was born the catastrophic plate tectonics model, which provides a physical mechanism for the Flood.

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Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188004
12/09/18 12:32 AM
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Lets read Genesis 7:11:
“11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Genesis 7:11.

At the start of the Flood the fountains of the deep were broken up ripping apart the pre-Flood supercontinent. When the original continent broke apart at the Flood, the pieces crashed, as the Tectonic plates shifted and produced today’s mountains. Today we see the continents which are the cores, formed out of pieces from the first supercontinent. Then if we look closer, we can find at the shore edges, where the sides were filled in by mud and sand that the Flood stripped from the earth’s surface.

Reconstructing Noah’s world before the Flood is not easy, but we do have a reasonable picture form the clues of what happened at the catastrophic events of the Flood. Hot molten rock blasted the underside of the earth’s crust and it was ripped apart, and steam and molten rock shot out. It must have been a unbelievable scene, with exploding forces as we see when extremely hot lava hits water. Tsunamis from the shifting plates, pushing layers of rock and sand over the continents as we can see a places all over the earth like the Grand Canyon. Animals rushing for the high ground being bunched together and making tracks in the wet mud as they ran for their livers. With the water rising higher and higher till it covered the whole earth, and only those in the ark being spared. We have forever lost the world where Noah lived, it was ripped apart and wiped away by the global Flood catastrophe. .

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Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188008
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In Patriarch and Prophets we find the following:

"In the days of Noah a double curse was resting upon the earth in consequence of Adam's transgression and of the murder committed by Cain. Yet this had not greatly changed the face of nature. There were evident tokens of decay, but the earth was still rich and beautiful in the gifts of God's providence. The hills were crowned with majestic trees supporting the fruit-laden branches of the vine. The vast, gardenlike plains were clothed with verdure, and sweet with the fragrance of a thousand flowers. The fruits of the earth were in great variety, and almost without limit. The trees far surpassed in size, beauty, and perfect proportion any now to be found; their wood was of fine grain and hard substance, closely resembling stone, and hardly less enduring. Gold, silver, and precious stones existed in abundance. {PP 90.1}

The human race yet retained much of its early vigor. But a few generations had passed since Adam had access to the tree which was to prolong life; and man's existence was still measured by centuries. Had that long-lived people, with their rare powers to plan and execute, devoted themselves to the service of God, they would have made their Creator's name a praise in the earth, and would have answered the purpose for which He gave them life. But they failed to do this. There were many giants, men of great stature and strength, renowned for wisdom, skillful in devising the most cunning and wonderful works; but their guilt in giving loose rein to iniquity was in proportion to their skill and mental ability. {PP 90.2}

God bestowed upon these antediluvians many and rich gifts; but they used His bounties to glorify themselves, and turned them into a curse by fixing their affections upon the gifts instead of the Giver. They employed the gold and silver, the precious stones and the choice wood, in the construction of habitations for themselves, and endeavored to excel one another in beautifying their dwellings with the most skillful workmanship. They sought only to gratify the desires of their own proud hearts, and reveled in scenes of pleasure and wickedness. Not desiring to retain God in their knowledge, they soon came to deny His existence. They adored nature in place of the God of nature. They glorified human genius, worshiped the works of their own hands, and taught their children to bow down to graven images. {PP 90.3}

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Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188009
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And this part is very interesting especially about Methuselah:

"The world was in its infancy; yet iniquity had become so deep and widespread that God could no longer bear with it; and He said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.” He declared that His Spirit should not always strive with the guilty race. If they did not cease to pollute with their sins the world and its rich treasures, He would blot them from His creation, and would destroy the things with which He had delighted to bless them; He would sweep away the beasts of the field, and the vegetation which furnished such an abundant supply of food, and would transform the fair earth into one vast scene of desolation and ruin. {PP 92.1}

Amid the prevailing corruption, Methuselah, Noah, and many others labored to keep alive the knowledge of the true God and to stay the tide of moral evil. A hundred and twenty years before the Flood, the Lord by a holy angel declared to Noah His purpose, and directed him to build an ark. While building the ark he was to preach that God would bring a flood of water upon the earth to destroy the wicked. Those who would believe the message, and would prepare for that event by repentance and reformation, should find pardon and be saved. Enoch had repeated to his children what God had shown him in regard to the Flood, and Methuselah and his sons, who lived to hear the preaching of Noah, assisted in building the ark. {PP 92.2}

God gave Noah the exact dimensions of the ark and explicit directions in regard to its construction in every particular. Human wisdom could not have devised a structure of so great strength and durability. God was the designer, and Noah the master builder. It was constructed like the hull of a ship, that it might float upon the water, but in some respects it more nearly resembled a house. It was three stories high, with but one door, which was in the side. The light was admitted at the top, and the different apartments were so arranged that all were lighted. The material employed in the construction of the ark was the cypress, or gopher wood, which would be untouched by decay for hundreds of years. The building of this immense structure was a slow and laborious process. On account of the great size of the trees and the nature of the wood, much more labor was required then than now to prepare timber, even with the greater strength which men then possessed. All that man could do was done to render the work perfect, yet the ark could not of itself have withstood the storm which was to come upon the earth. God alone could preserve His servants upon the tempestuous waters. {PP 92.3}"

Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188010
12/09/18 10:54 AM
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Then look at the description of the violence of the Flood:

But upon the eighth day dark clouds overspread the heavens. There followed the muttering of thunder and the flash of lightning. Soon large drops of rain began to fall. The world had never witnessed anything like this, and the hearts of men were struck with fear. All were secretly inquiring, “Can it be that Noah was in the right, and that the world is doomed to destruction?” Darker and darker grew the heavens, and faster came the falling rain. The beasts were roaming about in the wildest terror, and their discordant cries seemed to moan out their own destiny and the fate of man. Then “the fountains of the great deep” were “broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Water appeared to come from the clouds in mighty cataracts. Rivers broke away from their boundaries, and overflowed the valleys. Jets of water burst from the earth with indescribable force, throwing massive rocks hundreds of feet into the air, and these, in falling, buried themselves deep in the ground. {PP 99.1}

The people first beheld the destruction of the works of their own hands. Their splendid buildings, and the beautiful gardens and groves where they had placed their idols, were destroyed by lightning from heaven, and the ruins were scattered far and wide. The altars on which human sacrifices had been offered were torn down, and the worshipers were made to tremble at the power of the living God, and to know that it was their corruption and idolatry which had called down their destruction. {PP 99.2}

As the violence of the storm increased, trees, buildings, rocks, and earth were hurled in every direction. The terror of man and beast was beyond description. Above the roar of the tempest was heard the wailing of a people that had despised the authority of God. Satan himself, who was compelled to remain in the midst of the warring elements, feared for his own existence. He had delighted to control so powerful a race, and desired them to live to practice their abominations and continue their rebellion against the Ruler of heaven. He now uttered imprecations against God, charging Him with injustice and cruelty. Many of the people, like Satan, blasphemed God, and had they been able, they would have torn Him from the throne of power. Others were frantic with fear, stretching their hands toward the ark and pleading for admittance. But their entreaties were in vain. Conscience was at last aroused to know that there is a God who ruleth in the heavens. They called upon Him earnestly, but His ear was not open to their cry. In that terrible hour they saw that the transgression of God's law had caused their ruin. Yet while, through fear of punishment, they acknowledged their sin, they felt no true contrition, no abhorrence of evil. They would have returned to their defiance of Heaven, had the judgment been removed. So when God's judgments shall fall upon the earth before its deluge by fire, the impenitent will know just where and what their sin is—the despising of His holy law. Yet they will have no more true repentance than did the old-world sinners. {PP 99.3}

Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188011
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Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188033
12/11/18 06:10 AM
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Now here is something very interesting, first lets describe Potassium-argon dating, also abbreviated K–Ar dating. It is a radiometric dating method used in geochronology and archaeology. It is based on measurement of the product of the radioactive decay of an isotope of potassium (K) into argon (Ar). Potassium is a common element found in many materials, such as micas, clay minerals, tephra, and evaporites. In these materials, the decay product 40 Ar is able to escape the liquid (molten) rock, but starts to accumulate when the rock solidifies (recrystallizes). The amount of argon sublimation that occurs is a function of the purity of the sample, the composition of the mother material, and a number of other factors. These factors introduce error limits on the upper and lower bounds of dating, so that final determination of age is reliant on the environmental factors during formation, melting, and exposure to decreased pressure and/or open-air.

Now look at this....
"How do you date a New Zealand volcano?
by Robert Doolan

Among impressive volcanic scenery in northern New Zealand lies the city of Auckland. The district is known for its volcanic cones. In fact, there are more than 50 recognized small volcanoes in the city and surrounding areas. But the largest volcano by far in Auckland is also the youngest. It is called Rangitoto. How young is this youngest volcano? Now your problem starts. Rangitoto is generally regarded as young for several reasons. Evidence based on botany and geomorphology, and a hint from Maori legend that the name can mean ‘red sky’, contribute to a common acceptance that Rangitoto is youthful. Some of the lavas (scoria) have no vegetation, and seem to be no more than a few hundred years old.

Conflicting dates

In the late 1960s, scientists from the Australian National University in Canberra dated numerous volcanoes in Auckland using the potassium-argon method.1 Ten samples from both vegetated and unvegetated lava on Rangitoto were dated. Results seemed to show that Rangitoto was not a few hundred years old as it appeared to be. Ages from the 10 samples ranged from 146,000 years up to almost half a million years! So how old is Rangitoto? A couple of hundred years? Or half a million? The scientists took a sample of wood from beneath some Rangitoto lava and dated it by the carbon- 14 method.2 The wood gave an age of only 225 years (plus or minus 110 years)—which potentially puts it in the lifetime of George Washington and German composer Johann Sebastian Bach. This is about the age all evidence points to except potassium-argon dating. If lava which is little more than 200 years old can be wrongly dated at up to 465,000 years by the potassium-argon method, could potassium-argon dating always be wrong?

Wrong every time

The scientists who did the Rangitoto tests dated 16 volcanoes in all. Eleven of these were able to be compared with carbon-14 dates. In every case the potassium-argon dates were clearly wrong to a huge extent. Similar conflict was found by researchers in Hawaii. A lava flow which is known to have taken place in 1800-1801 (less than 200 years ago) was dated by potassium-argon as being 2,960 million years old.3 If the real dates were not fairly well established by other means, who could have proved that the potassium-argon dates were so wrong? So how do you date a volcano? The lesson seems to be that how ever you date it, don't count on the potassium-argon method...."https://creation.com/how-do-you-date-a-new-zealand-volcano

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Re: The Flood [Re: Rick H] #188035
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Very timely thread. Thanks Rick for sharing this.

Regarding carbon vs. K-Ar dating I remember reading that carbon's accuracy is good for the recent past but it is in the same class as K-Ar for the distant past.

Mainstream science agrees with the one continent theory and the bible gives some support to it as well. There is one competing or complementary theory which is that in the past the majority or about 6/7ths of the earth was land and that most of the water was below ground in vast oceans and aquifers. There is some Biblical support for that as well. It says the fountains of the deep were broken up.

But your main point that there were powerful forces at work during the flood - so powerful that they rapidly changed the entire ecosystem and face of the earth is so true and evident. And these same forces will be at work more and more at the end in mega quakes and mega eruptions. The first, second and four trumpets of Revelation 8 are depictions of these things imo. Notice that they are introduced in verse 5 with a major earthquake.

In 1815 Mount Tamboro, a volcano in Indonesia erupted. Wikipedia says:

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Mount Tambora is on the island of Sumbawa in present-day Indonesia, then part of the Dutch East Indies. Although its eruption reached a violent climax on 10 April 1815,[2] increased steaming and small phreatic eruptions occurred during the next six months to three years. The ash from the eruption column dispersed around the world and lowered global temperatures, in an event sometimes known as the Year Without a Summer in 1816.[3] This brief period of significant climate change triggered extreme weather and harvest failures in many areas around the world. Several climate forces coincided and interacted in a systematic manner that has not been observed after any other large volcanic eruption since the early Stone Age. Although scientists have proven that the post-eruption climate changes and the Tambora eruption are linked, they have only an incomplete understanding of the processes involved.


Personally I think we should anticipate major geological and geopolitical events in the coming months and be prepared spiritually and physically. Soon men's hearts will be failing them for fear of what is coming on the earth.

Re: The Flood [Re: Charity] #188037
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Originally Posted By: Charity
Very timely thread. Thanks Rick for sharing this.

Regarding carbon vs. K-Ar dating I remember reading that carbon's accuracy is good for the recent past but it is in the same class as K-Ar for the distant past.

Mainstream science agrees with the one continent theory and the bible gives some support to it as well. There is one competing or complementary theory which is that in the past the majority or about 6/7ths of the earth was land and that most of the water was below ground in vast oceans and aquifers. There is some Biblical support for that as well. It says the fountains of the deep were broken up.

But your main point that there were powerful forces at work during the flood - so powerful that they rapidly changed the entire ecosystem and face of the earth is so true and evident. And these same forces will be at work more and more at the end in mega quakes and mega eruptions. The first, second and four trumpets of Revelation 8 are depictions of these things imo. Notice that they are introduced in verse 5 with a major earthquake.

In 1815 Mount Tamboro, a volcano in Indonesia erupted. Wikipedia says:

Quote:
Mount Tambora is on the island of Sumbawa in present-day Indonesia, then part of the Dutch East Indies. Although its eruption reached a violent climax on 10 April 1815,[2] increased steaming and small phreatic eruptions occurred during the next six months to three years. The ash from the eruption column dispersed around the world and lowered global temperatures, in an event sometimes known as the Year Without a Summer in 1816.[3] This brief period of significant climate change triggered extreme weather and harvest failures in many areas around the world. Several climate forces coincided and interacted in a systematic manner that has not been observed after any other large volcanic eruption since the early Stone Age. Although scientists have proven that the post-eruption climate changes and the Tambora eruption are linked, they have only an incomplete understanding of the processes involved.


Personally I think we should anticipate major geological and geopolitical events in the coming months and be prepared spiritually and physically. Soon men's hearts will be failing them for fear of what is coming on the earth.
That is incredible, because when the plates crashed into each other they created volcanoes. There were so many happening at the same time that it cause, yes you guessed it, a cool down which scientist mistook for a "ice age". Now the clues start to come together...

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That is incredible, because when the plates crashed into each other they created volcanoes. There were so many happening at the same time that it cause, yes you guessed it, a cool down which scientist mistook for a "ice age". Now the clues start to come together...

What we call plates today could be pieces of the outer land mantel that encapsulated the globe like a womb and which was supported underneath by a global network of aquifers. The mantel may have been ruptured at the flood, possibly by an asteroid or asteroid cluster and the fountains of the deep violently opened and the mantel torn into the current tectonic plates. The slow movement of these plate fragments results in earthquakes and volcanoes which have been part of our legacy since the flood. Ellen White also tells us that the vegetation buried at the flood now coal and oil, when it ignites and comes in contact with these fissures at the edges of the plates and with lime produce volcanoes and earthquakes.

Her explanation is the best available in explaining why violent earthquakes and volcanoes occur even in the center of a tectonic plate, far from its edges.

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