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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188821
03/19/19 05:30 PM
03/19/19 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Yep - you make God the active subject bringing the calamities on the world. Nice. But nope. The seals, trumpets and bowls are all demonic activity.

So? What's your point?

Tell me. Was it a legion of demons who possessed Jesus Christ to do the following? Was it Satan in human form that people mistook for Jesus Christ?

"The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. He told those who were selling the doves, 'Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!'" John 2:13–16

Hebrews 10:26-31


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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: James Peterson] #188822
03/19/19 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: APL
Yep - you make God the active subject bringing the calamities on the world. Nice. But nope. The seals, trumpets and bowls are all demonic activity.

So? What's your point?

Tell me. Was it a legion of demons who possessed Jesus Christ to do the following? Was it Satan in human form that people mistook for Jesus Christ?

"The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. He told those who were selling the doves, 'Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!'" John 2:13–16

Hebrews 10:26-31


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Jesus never touch anyone. What happened right after Jesus cleared out the temple the time recorded my Matthew? The blind and the lame came to Him.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188823
03/19/19 07:38 PM
03/19/19 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Jesus never touch anyone. What happened right after Jesus cleared out the temple the time recorded my Matthew? The blind and the lame came to Him.

Jesus never touched anyone? What's your point?

With God, there is no knife, sword or gun or cannon! As it is written, "For He spoke, and it came to be; He commanded, and it stood fast." Psalm 22:9 and again, "Seeing a fig tree along the road, He went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. 'May you never bear fruit again!' He said. And immediately the tree withered." Mat. 21:19

And behold, among the prophets: "To the others [God] said in my hearing, 'Go after [this one] through the city and kill; do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity. Utterly slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary.' So they began with the elders who were before the temple. Then He said to them, 'Defile the temple, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!' And they went out and killed in the city." Ezk. 9:5-7

Tell me: did US President George Bush kill anyone in Iraq? Why then do they say that he led the nation into war? Surely the one who leads goes before his cruel army before which men faint in dreadful fear. NO! Among the great and powerful, their word is as good as any weapon, even more deadly. By the will of God, a man lives; and by His will, another dies. As it is written:

"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!" -- Luke 12:5

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: kland] #188826
03/19/19 11:48 PM
03/19/19 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
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Henry, are you familiar with Ron Wyatt? When facts absolutely disproved his ideas, he didn't let that get in the way and kept moving full steam ahead. Some suggested that he had a condition in which he wanted something so much to be true, that he actually truly believed it to be true in spite of evidence to the contrary and actually believed things happened, which did not.

See any similarities?


what facts do you suppose that I am overlooking?
I suppose, like Wyatt, you would repaint the facts such as Obama is no longer president and has not come back as one, that pope ratzinger was not the last pope (or was it one other than you saying that?), that a number of your predictions have not come true.


You do yourself a disservice by continuing to compare me to Wyatt.
When I could only follow the prophecy to Bush, I called Bush II the last American President. When, the prophecy was fulfilled by Obama (as the 4th beast in Daniel 7 because it had 2 phases pagan Rome and papal Rome) I could then only understand Bush II and Obama. Since the earth beast in Revelation 13 only had 2 horns, it was obvious that they =2.

But EGW clearly states that by "their fulfillment" Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves. So I learned that Obama was the second, but not the last. He did not stay in office or come back within a year that he would have had to do to fulfill the parameters of the prophecy. So I had to go back to the Bible and study some more.

Then I learned the meaning of duo as 2 and 2 (this portion of the prophecy is being doubled). In conjunction with that, I learned that the hour for the Judgment of the living has ended and God is wrapping it up when Michael Pence stands.

So I have studied and learned and grown in my understanding. Oh that you would have learned something along the way other than to have your skepticism harden your heart.

God never promised us infallibility. But He did say through EGW "We have nothing to fear from the future except that we forget how God has led us in the past." And that involves going forward by faith in the word of God as it is understood at the time.

If I am reading EGW right...Since you have forgotten how God has led the Advent Movement in our past history, you will have much to fear in the future.

Last edited by His child; 03/19/19 11:57 PM.

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188827
03/20/19 12:37 AM
03/20/19 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: peterson
"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!" -- Luke 12:5
No need to be afraid of God. None. Keep reading ... Who then to fear?


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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188829
03/20/19 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child
You do yourself a disservice by continuing to compare me to Wyatt.
When I could only follow the prophecy to Bush, I called Bush II the last American President. When, the prophecy was fulfilled by Obama (as the 4th beast in Daniel 7 because it had 2 phases pagan Rome and papal Rome) I could then only understand Bush II and Obama. Since the earth beast in Revelation 13 only had 2 horns, it was obvious that they =2.

But EGW clearly states that by "their fulfillment" Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves. So I learned that Obama was the second, but not the last. He did not stay in office or come back within a year that he would have had to do to fulfill the parameters of the prophecy. So I had to go back to the Bible and study some more.

Then I learned the meaning of duo as 2 and 2 (this portion of the prophecy is being doubled). In conjunction with that, I learned that the hour for the Judgment of the living has ended and God is wrapping it up when Michael Pence stands.

So I have studied and learned and grown in my understanding. Oh that you would have learned something along the way other than to have your skepticism harden your heart.

God never promised us infallibility. But He did say through EGW "We have nothing to fear from the future except that we forget how God has led us in the past." And that involves going forward by faith in the word of God as it is understood at the time.

If I am reading EGW right...Since you have forgotten how God has led the Advent Movement in our past history, you will have much to fear in the future.

Since you are prophesying, waiting only to see nothing comes of it, returning to the drawing board: wash, rinse, repeat ... your statement, "that the hour for the Judgment of the living has ended" is astounding in its presumptuous audacity.

If you have proven unreliable in things pertaining to earth, how much less must you obviously be about things far above you!

Deuteronomy 18:22

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: James Peterson] #188834
03/20/19 09:51 AM
03/20/19 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson

Since you are prophesying, waiting only to see nothing comes of it, returning to the drawing board: wash, rinse, repeat ... your statement, "that the hour for the Judgment of the living has ended" is astounding in its presumptuous audacity.

If you have proven unreliable in things pertaining to earth, how much less must you obviously be about things far above you!

Deuteronomy 18:22

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A Bible student is not a prophet.
The student studies the prophecies that even the prophets that uttered them did not completely understand.

The bottom line is: go forward by faith (as far as one understands he prophecies under study) or play it safe and wait until the rain starts falling.



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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188840
03/20/19 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
When I could only follow the prophecy to Bush, I called Bush II the last American President. When, the prophecy was fulfilled by Obama....
Excellent example of repainting...

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Then I learned the meaning of duo as 2 and 2 (this portion of the prophecy is being doubled). In conjunction with that, I learned that the hour for the Judgment of the living has ended and God is wrapping it up when Michael Pence stands.
Although you have been shown that is not true, that it is not in scripture as you say, it's still full steam ahead.

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If I am reading EGW right...Since you have forgotten how God has led the Advent Movement in our past history, you will have much to fear in the future.
Who has forgotten how God has led the Advent Movement in our past history?

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: James Peterson] #188841
03/20/19 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: APL
Jesus never touch anyone. What happened right after Jesus cleared out the temple the time recorded my Matthew? The blind and the lame came to Him.

Jesus never touched anyone? What's your point?
So what was your point in emphasizing of making a whip of cords?

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188842
03/20/19 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
So what was your point in emphasizing of making a whip of cords?
Exactly!


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