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Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Charity] #184057
06/09/17 10:09 PM
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And it seems to me there are different wave lengths of thought here.

Kland seems to be talking about "days" as to when do they begin "morning or evening" with focus on the beginning of the Sabbath. As he is dealing with people who think Sabbath begins at dawn.

The thread itself was more about basing the calendar on the phases of the moon and solar equinoxes, etc. to determine God's time table for events.

Gary, at first, seemed to be talking about prophetic time lines -- which are more mathematical calculations rather than solar and moon based.

However, it all kind of dove tails into how to deal with the "new thoughts" entering Adventism that point to the sun and stars and other celestial bodies, to determine God's activities rather than anything we base time on now.

To me -- it all sounds a lot like a softening up to the sun and moon worship that pervaded the ancient world.

Yes, Israel started their months based on the first sighting of the new moon. However, their calendar was based on harvests not on equinoxes etc.
Their FEAST days were fixed to the month. But their Sabbath was every seventh day, there is no indication that the seven day cycle was disrupted at the end of every month like the "lunar calendar promoters" try to persuade us.

The day starts at evening -- according to scripture.

But now we have all kinds of strange ideas coming in to confuse prophecy, to confuse timelines, confuse which day is the Sabbath, confuse us as to when the Sabbath begins.

What is also confusing is how much EGW writings are quoted by these groups, while they ignore the plain English statements from her pen that clearly show she does not agree with them.

Quote:

At the setting of the sun on the evening of the preparation day the trumpets sounded, signifying that the Sabbath had begun.(DA 774)

...in the evening, at the commencement of the Sabbath, while engaged in prayer, I was shown in vision... LS 231
As the sun goes down [at the close of the Sabbath], let the voice of prayer and the hymn of praise mark the close of the sacred hours and invite God's presence through the cares of the week of labor. {CCh 264.3}







Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: kland] #184069
06/11/17 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Gary K
All that needs to be done is point out Genesis and creation week. The evening and the morning were the first day, second day, third day, etc... right on down to the seventh day. Once that is noted they must prove from the Bible that God changed how He looks at the 24 hour day.
And indeed they attempt so. They say, see, it says evening and morning. That means morning comes first.

And I'm like, whaaaa?

I think they mean, God created, then there came evening and then morning. So therefore, morning must have been first which wasn't mentioned. However, they fail to realize, if the day contains the morning, then the next day must start sometime after that point. ...Confusion!

Have you seen this thread:
http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=176117


I don't have access to that part of the forum.

Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: dedication] #184070
06/11/17 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Gary, at first, seemed to be talking about prophetic time lines -- which are more mathematical calculations rather than solar and moon based.



I'm curious. How did you come to that idea? I bolded exactly what I was replying to in kland's post which was talking specifically about how people are now trying to say the Hebrew day started at dawn rather than sundown.


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Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Charity] #184071
06/11/17 06:42 AM
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What is also confusing is how much EGW writings are quoted by these groups, while they ignore the plain English statements from her pen that clearly show she does not agree with them.


This is quite common behavior these days for all of those people who are always trying to find something "new and sensational" to push. It actually started in Ellen White's day though, and for the same reasons as today.

Last edited by Gary K; 06/11/17 06:42 AM.
Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: ] #184087
06/12/17 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gary K
Originally Posted By: dedication

Gary, at first, seemed to be talking about prophetic time lines -- which are more mathematical calculations rather than solar and moon based.



I'm curious. How did you come to that idea? I bolded exactly what I was replying to in kland's post which was talking specifically about how people are now trying to say the Hebrew day started at dawn rather than sundown.



It was a post before that.

Originally Posted By: Gary
The title of this thread always makes me chuckle. Is there a Biblical/divine calendar? Of course there is. The problem is finding the correct calendar, not whether or not it exists. The Bible is way too clear on that subject to doubt whether or not God has a time frame for everything He does.

Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Charity] #188654
03/05/19 04:33 PM
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Consider the following under part VI, supposedly written by Froom as a summary of a 1930s study committee. Starting at the end of the first page saying the year starts with Barley and the new moon, as with the Karaites. The website says we are to look to old Jerusalem and keep the Jewish feast days.
http://godsholidays.com/barley.html

Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: ] #188659
03/07/19 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gary K
I don't have access to that part of the forum.
Yeah...that part is only for the 144,000.

Not that I'm bragging, but I'm actually a member of the 144,000. They were selling memberships for a dollar, but I think they're sold out.

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