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What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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especially to Christians. The scientist are absolutely beside themselves after the pictures came in of the 'Black Hole'. Take a look... "Black hole picture could unlock new era in astronomy. When the first-ever direct picture of a black hole was unveiled Wednesday, scientists around the world were almost giddy over finally getting a chance to see one of the most mysterious objects in the universe. “A once-in-a-lifetime result,” exulted Shep Doeleman, director of the Event Horizon Telescope, the international team of scientists who created the image using a network of radio telescopes linked together to form a single, Earth-size observatory. “I couldn’t imagine that I’d live to see a telescopic image of a black hole,” said Jean-Pierre Luminet of the French National Center for Scientific Research, who created the first visualization of a black hole in 1979. Yale astronomer Priya Natarajan was more succinct. “My first reaction on seeing the image was: Wow!” The remarkable snapshot shows a monster black hole 55 million light-years from Earth in the neighboring galaxy M87. https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/black-hole-picture-could-unlock-new-era-astronomy-ncna993531 A black hole forms when the center of a very massive star collapses in upon itself. This collapse also causes a supernova, or an exploding star, that blasts part of the star into space. So I was looking at all the news on it when I came across a video where the scientist admitted they didn't know how the universe worked and all they could do was come up with ideas or theory's on what was happening. But what really caught my ear was a scientist admitting there is energy pouring into the universe forming it, and this was in the context of not knowing. Elements of galaxies such as stars (or suns) were being push around and forming faster than they had calculated according to their theories, while other parts were moving 'normally'. There were extreme star-forming galaxies in the universe, according to them, the so-called "dusty star-forming galaxies." Unknown energy pouring into the universe driving its formation, imagine that...
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/14/19 05:16 AM
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/14/19 02:32 PM
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Isn't there also a Black Hole in Orion?
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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especially to Christians. The scientist are absolutely beside themselves after the pictures came in of the 'Black Hole'. Take a look... "Black hole picture could unlock new era in astronomy. When the first-ever direct picture of a black hole was unveiled Wednesday, scientists around the world were almost giddy over finally getting a chance to see one of the most mysterious objects in the universe. “A once-in-a-lifetime result,” exulted Shep Doeleman, director of the Event Horizon Telescope, the international team of scientists who created the image using a network of radio telescopes linked together to form a single, Earth-size observatory. “I couldn’t imagine that I’d live to see a telescopic image of a black hole,” said Jean-Pierre Luminet of the French National Center for Scientific Research, who created the first visualization of a black hole in 1979. Yale astronomer Priya Natarajan was more succinct. “My first reaction on seeing the image was: Wow!” The remarkable snapshot shows a monster black hole 55 million light-years from Earth in the neighboring galaxy M87. https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/black-hole-picture-could-unlock-new-era-astronomy-ncna993531 A black hole forms when the center of a very massive star collapses in upon itself. This collapse also causes a supernova, or an exploding star, that blasts part of the star into space.So I was looking at all the news on it when I came across a video where the scientist admitted they didn't know how the universe worked and all they could do was come up with ideas or theory's on what was happening. But what really caught my ear was a scientist admitting there is energy pouring into the universe forming it, and this was in the context of not knowing. Elements of galaxies such as stars (or suns) were being push around and forming faster than they had calculated according to their theories, while other parts were moving 'normally'. There were extreme star-forming galaxies in the universe, according to them, the so-called "dusty star-forming galaxies." Unknown energy pouring into the universe driving its formation, imagine that... About the formation of black holes, scientists are like little children: they tell fairy tales to each other with straight faces. Look closely at the literature and you would see that Einstein's Theory of Relativity predicted black holes and their widths. This attempt to picture one was to establish the validity of their existence by measuring its diameter and comparing it to the proposed theoretical model. In short, like the stars, scientists are themselves wandering through the darkness, every once in a while sending out sonars and radars, trying hard to figure out where they are. But they do like to pretend that they know when they speak to the less informed. More importantly however, if indeed this black hole were 55 million light years away, then what of Genesis 1 being just 6,000 years ago? Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago. So much for Genesis 1, or is it ....? ///
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 - who says that was only 6,000 years ago? Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Before the first day of creation on this earth, the third ball from the sun, commonly called Earth, was already previously in existence. If the earth was already in existence, one would expect the rest of the cosmos were already in existence, too. Life on our earth was guessed/calculated from the Bible to be approximately 6,000 years ago. But there was earth with water on it prior to that first creation day.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 - who says that was only 6,000 years ago?Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Before the first day of creation on this earth, the third ball from the sun, commonly called Earth, was already previously in existence. If the earth was already in existence, one would expect the rest of the cosmos were already in existence, too. Life on our earth was guessed/calculated from the Bible to be approximately 6,000 years ago. But there was earth with water on it prior to that first creation day. Lots of folks, for instance: many SDA.///
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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When it comes to things in outer space, human knowledge is very limited. Yes, what is the significance of "black holes" in space? How does it relate to the Genesis account and other scripture? A good question -- The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 - who says that was only 6,000 years ago? Lots of folks, for instnace many SDA I agree with Kland that the Genesis account has the earth PRESENT, though without form and engulfed in water, BEFORE the first day of creation. How long it was in that inhabitable state before the six day creation isn't known. If some Christians as well as some SDA's say the whole universe was created in those six days, (and some do say that) yet that does not prove it was. They most certainly do not get that understanding from EGW. She has considerable to say of events that happened BEFORE the six day creation in a place called heaven. She speaks of unfallen worlds that would not understand if the rebellion was extinguished back then (before the six day creation). So any SDA's that believe the whole universe was created in those six days must have borrowed that concept from somewhere else. But another consideration -- Time -- while this earth is limited to time, God is not limited to time, He is EVER PRESENT. When He created this earth-- there were trees which suddenly appeared on the third day? How many growth rings did these full grown trees have? It's quite possible they were created with multiple growth rings already present on that third day. The same with "light". It's possible that on fourth day, God made light travel instantly from far off galaxies to this earth just by the word of His mouth. The fact is -- we do not know A bigger question -- one that Kland and I discussed some time ago already without resolving anything -- is -- Since Genesis tells us God created everything GOOD and PERFECT, why is there chaos in universe. Or is that chaos part of the fairy tales scientists tell? I don't know. I do know,that on the one hand, there is incredible order in the universe, but mixed in with that are things that do not fit our concept of a perfect Why would things cave in on themselves and leave a deadly black hole? Why do some galaxies crash
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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They most certainly do not get that understanding from EGW. She has considerable to say of events that happened BEFORE the six day creation in a place called heaven. She speaks of unfallen worlds that would not understand if the rebellion was extinguished back then (before the six day creation). Rev. 22:18-19 ///
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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What does that text have to do with "black holes" or whether the heavens and universe were created in those six days of creation? The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 - who says that was only 6,000 years ago?
Lots of folks, for instance many SDA They most certainly do not get that understanding from EGW..... So any SDA's that believe the whole universe was created in those six days must have borrowed that concept from somewhere else.....the Genesis account has the earth PRESENT, though without form and engulfed in water, BEFORE the first day of creation. The question was "who says ..... you said SDA's I clarified it did not come from EGW, if some SDA's say that, they got it from somewhere else. So WHO SAYS it? And what proof do they have? ARe you a believer that the whole universe was created in those six days? But even if that is your belief why would you resent a clarification that such a belief did not originate in Adventism???? Why not deal with the subject of the thread -- which is? significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space. Though it's not really a subject directly addressed anywhere in the book of Revelation. But I don't think the text you quoted means we can't talk about anything else except what is in the book of Revelation.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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Why not deal with the subject of the thread -- which is? significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space. I dealt with the subject. Here is what I said: "Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago."///
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