especially to Christians. The scientist are absolutely beside themselves after the pictures came in of the 'Black Hole'. Take a look...

"Black hole picture could unlock new era in astronomy.

When the first-ever direct picture of a black hole was unveiled Wednesday, scientists around the world were almost giddy over finally getting a chance to see one of the most mysterious objects in the universe.

“A once-in-a-lifetime result,” exulted Shep Doeleman, director of the Event Horizon Telescope, the international team of scientists who created the image using a network of radio telescopes linked together to form a single, Earth-size observatory.

“I couldn’t imagine that I’d live to see a telescopic image of a black hole,” said Jean-Pierre Luminet of the French National Center for Scientific Research, who created the first visualization of a black hole in 1979. Yale astronomer Priya Natarajan was more succinct. “My first reaction on seeing the image was: Wow!”

The remarkable snapshot shows a monster black hole 55 million light-years from Earth in the neighboring galaxy M87. https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/black-hole-picture-could-unlock-new-era-astronomy-ncna993531

A black hole forms when the center of a very massive star collapses in upon itself. This collapse also causes a supernova, or an exploding star, that blasts part of the star into space.

So I was looking at all the news on it when I came across a video where the scientist admitted they didn't know how the universe worked and all they could do was come up with ideas or theory's on what was happening. But what really caught my ear was a scientist admitting there is energy pouring into the universe forming it, and this was in the context of not knowing. Elements of galaxies such as stars (or suns) were being push around and forming faster than they had calculated according to their theories, while other parts were moving 'normally'. There were extreme star-forming galaxies in the universe, according to them, the so-called "dusty star-forming galaxies."

Unknown energy pouring into the universe driving its formation, imagine that...

Makes me hungry for donuts.

Isn't there also a Black Hole in Orion?

About the formation of black holes, scientists are like little children: they tell fairy tales to each other with straight faces.

Look closely at the literature and you would see that Einstein's Theory of Relativity predicted black holes and their widths. This attempt to picture one was to establish the validity of their existence by measuring its diameter and comparing it to the proposed theoretical model. In short, like the stars, scientists are themselves wandering through the darkness, every once in a while sending out sonars and radars, trying hard to figure out where they are. But they do like to pretend that they know when they speak to the less informed.

More importantly however, if indeed this black hole were 55 million light years away, then what of Genesis 1 being just 6,000 years ago? Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago.

So much for Genesis 1, or is it ....?

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The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 - who says that was only 6,000 years ago?

Before the first day of creation on this earth, the third ball from the sun, commonly called Earth, was already previously in existence.

If the earth was already in existence, one would expect the rest of the cosmos were already in existence, too. Life on our earth was guessed/calculated from the Bible to be approximately 6,000 years ago. But there was earth with water on it prior to that first creation day.

Lots of folks, for instance: many SDA.

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When it comes to things in outer space, human knowledge is very limited.

Yes, what is the significance of "black holes" in space?
How does it relate to the Genesis account and other scripture?

A good question --
I agree with Kland that the Genesis account has the earth PRESENT, though without form and engulfed in water, BEFORE the first day of creation.
How long it was in that inhabitable state before the six day creation isn't known.
If some Christians as well as some SDA's say the whole universe was created in those six days, (and some do say that) yet that does not prove it was.

They most certainly do not get that understanding from EGW. She has considerable to say of events that happened BEFORE the six day creation in a place called heaven. She speaks of unfallen worlds that would not understand if the rebellion was extinguished back then (before the six day creation). So any SDA's that believe the whole universe was created in those six days must have borrowed that concept from somewhere else.

But another consideration --

Time -- while this earth is limited to time, God is not limited to time, He is EVER PRESENT.

When He created this earth-- there were trees which suddenly appeared on the third day? How many growth rings did these full grown trees have?
It's quite possible they were created with multiple growth rings already present on that third day.

The same with "light". It's possible that on fourth day, God made light travel instantly from far off galaxies to this earth just by the word of His mouth.

The fact is -- we do not know


A bigger question -- one that Kland and I discussed some time ago already without resolving anything -- is --

Since Genesis tells us God created everything GOOD and PERFECT, why is there chaos in universe.
Or is that chaos part of the fairy tales scientists tell?
I don't know.

I do know,that on the one hand, there is incredible order in the universe, but mixed in with that are things that do not fit our concept of a perfect

Why would things cave in on themselves and leave a deadly black hole?
Why do some galaxies crash

Rev. 22:18-19

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What does that text have to do with "black holes" or whether the heavens and universe were created in those six days of creation?



The question was "who says .....
you said SDA's
I clarified it did not come from EGW, if some SDA's say that, they got it from somewhere else.
So WHO SAYS it? And what proof do they have?

ARe you a believer that the whole universe was created in those six days? But even if that is your belief why would you resent a clarification that such a belief did not originate in Adventism????

Why not deal with the subject of the thread -- which is?
significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
Though it's not really a subject directly addressed anywhere in the book of Revelation. But I don't think the text you quoted means we can't talk about anything else except what is in the book of Revelation.

I dealt with the subject. Here is what I said:

"Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago."

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It appears that James is using distraction tactics and no longer wishes to participate in the discussion.



And I recall Tom saying something along those lines, too.

But perfection is in the eyes of the beholder. Isn't it just so exciting to see planets crashing into one another and blowing up? Fabulous! But then, we are tainted between what is glorious and what is not.

I have since come across something about cellular processes. It's been some time and I don't recall specifically, but I think it had to do with mitochondria. It was a recycling of cell components, not necessarily that they were "bad", but just part of its processes. Parts were reorganized into new parts. Not chaos, but an orchestrated plan.

I thought the link originally had a photo depiction showing jets coming up and down from the hole. The link seems different now. Cannot the black holes be thought of the same way as cellular processes? Matter comes in, is processed, and then is spit back out.

1. Appearances are can be deceiving. I dealt wonderfully with the subject. Here is what I said:
   
   "Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago."
   
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2. But dedication brought up some extraneous matters about EGW and a dubious history purported to have occurred sometime in the distant past; so naturally, I offered help by way of Rev. 22:18-19
   
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3. The Bible says that "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Curiously, it goes on to specifically say (WITHOUT DOUBT, UNDOUBTEDLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY AND ALSO PLAINLY -- SO EVEN A FOOL WOULD UNDERSTAND) .... that the heavens were made from the earth. See Gen. 1:6-9

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Scientists have already "discovered" long before that picture was taken, that the universe is vast. Scientists have told the world many times that it takes "x" million years for light to travel through various points of the universe. Nothing really new or profound there. Just a new example of something they've been saying for long time already.

So how is your statement so "wonderful", that it seemingly is meant to shut down any intelligent further conversation?

You have not explained what you see so significant about it.

Instead you did shift into "distraction" mode.
Yes, a lot of Adventists believe, that God's heaven as well as other worlds existed BEFORE the six day creation. Just because you can't see it in scripture, doesn't mean its not there, quite plain for those who wish to see.

But what is so significant about light supposedly taking 55 million years to travel --

You made the statement in relation with creation --

Not sure where you are going with that.
But I do know that
God is not limited by any speed of light.
Nor is He boxed into time.
He can create simply by the Word of His mouth.

Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

He can create a galaxy by the word of His mouth.
He can create the light to see it in a day if He wills for us to see it, He does not depend on its speed of travel for that.

Sadly, there is much dedication to wishful seeing of Scripture on this forum. Which may contribute to the lack of "intelligent further conversation."

Are you saying that if I can't see something in scripture, that means absolutely it is not there?

This is an incredibly self-serving statement and attitude, especially from one who DEMANDS a CLEAR "thus saith the Lord" regarding (among others) the Sabbath/Sunday discussion, yet at the same time preaches the Investigative Judgement, which has a very murky, convoluted, complex, highly contested (even by SDA scholars) support path built from assumptions.

By this criteria Elle (GRHS) holds an accurate view of Scripture---you just don't wish to see it.

Also by this criteria, Henry His Child is also correct in his view of prophecy, Michael Pence, Trump, Obama and all the rest of his trash---you just don't wish to see it.

This also makes the Catholic Church correct in all their theological twists and turns---you just don't wish to see it.

This is the very approach taken by one who comes to Scripture only to support their pre-existing beliefs, not to learn what Scripture is saying. With this attitude, there can NEVER be "intelligent further conversation."

Then to DEMAND a clear "Thus saith the Lord" from their opponents rises no higher than screaming hypocrisy.

Depends on one's glasses.

Nadi, dedication said doesn't mean its not there. Meaning it "could" be there. However you implied that if you don't see it, it's not there. Period. No "could". Just absolutely not.

True (ish)
But that opens the door for all sorts of un-biblical views.

Isaiah 42:20 Seeing many things, but you observe not; opening the ears, but he hears not.

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Scientists think there is.
They think The Black Hole is about 200 times as massive as our own sun reports Cornell University Library.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/336341#ixzz5mjLmmrCb

Is there anything more recent than that???

I searched, but since I couldn't find anything, that means absolutely nothing exists more recent.

The sad reality is that, on the other hand, many "not only see many things, but imagine many besides what they see; not only open their eyes wide to hear, but love the sound of strange conspiracies too!"

How do you speak to such: for instance, the Roman Catholics who imagine that Mary is in heaven and must needs be prayed to? Or to Mormons who imagine that the Book of Mormon is another newer Testament of Jesus Christ? Wouldn't you speak to them in parables since they would not be able to handle the truth that they are deep in darkness in their vain imagination?



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This might interest you:



https://www.newsweek.com/huge-hole-ripped-milky-way-1426920






https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160211

Read about that LIGO detection that proves Einstein's theory and Christ's words that the powers of heaven and earth will be shaken. it was not with a earthquake but a we small voice that the prophet heard the voice of God.

Again, does it meet prophecy if no one knows it?

Ya, ya, you will say the ones paying attention. Attention to very sensitive instruments? Attention to the news?

When modern man thinks that his wisdom is superior to everything else, it is humbling to remember that the foolishness of God is superior to the wisest man.



I pray for wisdom.