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Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #189360
05/12/19 06:51 AM
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In the sanctuary service, who killed the lamb?

In the death of Christ, did He die the sinners death? Who and/or what killed Christ?

The plan of salvation is to save us from what?

Here in is the answer.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #189369
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Lesson 16: "God’s goal was to make man fireproof again. "

What would that mean if you didn't want to be fireproofed?

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Mountain Man] #189372
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

When considered in the larger context of Isaiah 9 why do we choose to believe verse 6 is referring to Jesus?

Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Is it possible God uses people, places, and things to symbolize past, present, and future people, places, and events? For example, the King of Tyre. Or, the sons of Isaiah.

That is true.

And so the King of Tyre was like Adam in the Garden of Eden. The entire prophecy begins from chapter 26 of Ezekiel. This is how God speaks of him. "Thus says the Lord God: O Tyre, YOU have said, 'I am perfect in beauty.' Your borders are in the midst of the seas. Your builders have perfected your beauty." Ezekiel 27:3-4

BECAUSE of Tyre's own claim of perfect beauty, God returns the saying in kind and uses it.

Because your heart is lifted up,
And YOU say, 'I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,'
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
(Behold, you are wiser than Daniel!
There is no secret that can be hidden from you!
With your wisdom and your understanding
You have gained riches for yourself,
And gathered gold and silver into your treasuries;
By your great wisdom in trade you have increased your riches,
And your heart is lifted up because of your riches) ...”


Notice the line, "Yet you are a man, and not a god!" This was A MAN who was imagining himself to be greater than he was; hence the comparison to Adam in the Garden of Eden.

Thus says the Lord God:

You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;

You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.


This was Adam, son of God, brought INTO the Garden of Eden, the House of God, given all things on earth and made father of every human being, messenger of the Most High ... until iniquity was found in him. Then he was cast out of Eden, as it is written, "... for dust you are; and to dust you shall return!" Gen. 3:19

AND what, pray tell, was Adam's sin? He followed his wife. He believed the promise of the serpent, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Gen. 3:4-5

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Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: dedication] #189373
05/14/19 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
HC, You could probably appeal to the scriptures that speak of Christ as Michael the Archangel -- or the commander of the heavenly hosts. (Joshua 5:14, Revelation 12:7)

Yet, I believe Christ's place was ON the throne, with the Father, thus receiving the honor of the angels, not holding the position of "covering cherub"

Yes, His
"goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2) That is -- He did mingle with the created, He created them, He was their leader, but He was also God, with the Father, (John 1:1) and He went forth from God, (John 8:42)that is from His place ON the throne of God to mingle with the created.


Also scripture says we were created in God's image --
Cherubim have a rather different "image", Artists paint Lucifer looking like a man with wings, but read Ezekiel 1 and 10 -- cherubim don't look at all like us.

Bottom line, of course, James' question cannot be answered with an affirmative Biblical answer, because the answer was not revealed. Everyone can have an opinion, but no proof. We do know there are more cherubim in heaven, so not knowing who the other cherub was/is presents no problem.


And since it is not a salvation issue, it does not merit much brain power.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #189374
05/14/19 12:47 AM
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When the word Tyre is studied: it means: A rock

King of a Rock... Satan wanted Jesus (the Rock) to worship him.

Thus, Satan wanted to be king over Jesus, i.e., to exalt Satan's throne above Jesus.

Food for thought


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: His child] #189376
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Originally Posted By: His Child
And since it is not a salvation issue, it does not merit much brain power.

It becomes important in understanding the rejection of man, and why the curse was so severe: "You shall surely die!"

There is New Testament equivalent to the King of Tyre in King Herod (Agrippa).

"Now Herod had been very angry with the people of Tyre and Sidon; but they came to him with one accord, and having made Blastus the king’s personal aide their friend, they asked for peace, because their country was supplied with food by the king’s country. So on a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat on his throne and gave an oration to them. And the people kept shouting, 'The voice of a god and not of a man!' Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died." Acts. 12:20-23

Notice the repetition of the same pattern: a man exalting himself above his own state without reason, making himself out to be like God ... and suffering death in the end. I can show you numerous examples of such men, all bearing the legacy of ADAM, the one who was brought into the House of God, even into the council of the Most High ... but being carried away with the dizzying heights to which he was brought, imagined himself to have arrived, only to fall spectacularly.

There is a very similar relationship that exists between parents and children for which reason Jesus solemnly warned, "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Mat. 18:6.

YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING AND NOT GOD. PERIOD. NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE. THEREFORE TO YOUR OWN SELF BE TRUE. WERE A DOG TO CLIMB INTO ITS MASTER'S BED, VICIOUSLY SNAP AT HIM AND SLEEP WITH HIS MASTER'S WIFE, WOULD THAT DOG NOT SURELY DIE?

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Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #189378
05/14/19 05:10 AM
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Quote:
Notice the repetition of the same pattern: a man exalting himself above his own state without reason, making himself out to be like God


That is exactly the pattern set by Lucifer, and yes, it has been repeated countless times by humans who live in the world in which Satan/Lucifer wields huge influence. King Herod is a good example of a created being pretending to be god.

But no, Adam was NOT the "covering cherub" that Ezekiel 24 is referring to. There was another right there in the Garden of Eden whose aim and purpose was to turn the newly created pair away from their allegiance to God, and have them under his own domain.

Gen. 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman,
You shall not surely die: For God knows that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods,


The deceiving serpent was there in the garden

" that great dragon that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: (Rev. 12:8)

He is the one the Christ came to "crush"
Gen. 3 And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
..the woman's seed shall bruise thy head, and you shalt bruise his heel."


He is also the one that wanted Christ to worship him.
Talk about a created being trying to exalt himself above God!
Asking Christ, the Son of God to worship him!||

Matt. 4:8 Again, the devil took him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And said unto him, All these things will I give you if you will fall down and worship me.


Also Ezekiel gives us a picture of what a cherubim is.

See Ezekiel chapter one and ten. That's where the fallen identity of Ezekiel 24 fits in -- he was once close to God, just like those other cherubs.

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #189382
05/14/19 06:21 PM
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James, thank you for replying to my post. I often wonder why God didn't simply spell things out in plain language (instead of using symbols, allegories, prophecies, etc). Any thoughts?

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192000
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So far in the studies this thread was trying to follow, we had:
Lesson One -- the fall of Lucifer
Lesson Two -- the fall of man

Those two lessons showed WHY a plan was made. A plan to deal with the condition of sin that sprung up and was marring God's creation.

http://www.blueprintgps.com/lesson-3

Lesson Three addresses the Sanctuary as a blue print of Salvation.


This sanctuary would contain a symbolic message of the plan of salvation, of the history of the rebellion in heaven, and of the future of mankind. It was to serve as a divine ?GPS,? a blueprint, showing humanity how they could be reconciled to God?how to be saved and how to bridge the separation that sin caused. It would be later said of this sanctuary, or tabernacle, ?Your way, O God, is in the sanctuary. ? (Psalm 77:13).

The lesson then goes on to discuss that the wilderness sanctuary was a miniature replica of God's heavenly sanctuary and how surprised Lucifer would have been to see this being built.
"Being very familiar with the structure, Satan knew that God was giving man the very plan that would deliver them from his oppressive rule."

MY COMMENT

I find this interesting --
I think Lucifer KNEW the heavenly sanctuary (having been there before his fall) and probably knew a bit as to what it stood for.

So -- he had his counterfeits ready.
We were touring in the Mediterranean area and visited several ancient ruins. It was surprising to see that Pagan temples were often built according to the same plan. They had altars for sacrifices in the front. In the temple itself, there was a 1st room, and then in the special back room they would have an huge image of their "god".
Some critics claim this proves Israel copied their pagan neighbors.
But no -- rather it shows that Lucifer (satan) tried to copy the things of God and use them for his own perverted purposes.

The sanctuary that was built under the leadership of Moses, was indeed a replica of heavenly things.
And in its symbols we find the plan of salvation.

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192002
03/08/20 11:36 PM
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Sanctuary -- furniture -- what do they signify?

1. Altar of Sacrifice

2. Laver

3. Table of Showbread

4. Altar of Incense

5. Candlestick

6. Ark of the Covenant



Many studies can be done on this.

I found this one very meaningful (given in Lesson 4)

The Sanctuary illustrates Christ's condescension from the highest heaven to the lowest terrible point He met to save us.

6. (Ark) The throne of heaven (Christ left the throne of heaven to dwell with humanity)

5. (Candlestick) He is the light (John 1:4-5; 3:19 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness;... light is come into the world,

4. (Incense) Jesus lived a life of prayer. He prays for US!!! Like he prayed for Peter, in Luke 22:32

3. (Table of shewbread) (John 6:35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger.. 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:

2. (The laver) The laver stood between the holy sanctuary and the altar of sacrifice. Before the priests entered the sanctuary they washed -- a reminder that cleansing is necessary before entering the holy places. For Christ in His condescension for our redemption the movement was REVERSED.
He Who was absolutely holy, became sin (took our sin). Gethsemane was Christ's baptism in the laver, His holiness absorbing all humanities sin -- being covered by our UNHOLINESS -- a thing so terrible He almost died right there in Gethsemane.

1. (The alter) The cross. Jesus, the Lamb of God, gave Himself a sacrifice, dying our death. That we might live.

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