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Re: Circumstances of Jesus' Birth: Were they Questioned?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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05/26/19 01:19 PM
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The verse saying Mary "was found with child" is really the best text you have provided so far. Unfortunately, it comes short of saying Jesus' legitimacy was ever publicly questioned. When one is an eiseget, rather than an exegete...that's enough.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: Circumstances of Jesus' Birth: Were they Questioned?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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05/26/19 02:15 PM
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- Original: ἔγκυος
- Transliteration: Egkuos
- Phonetic: eng'-koo-os
- Definition:
1. big with child, pregnant
- Origin: from G1722 and the base of G2949
- TDNT entry: None
- Part(s) of speech: Adjective
- Strong's: From G1722 and the base of G2949 ; swelling inside that is pregnant: - great with child.
Total KJV Occurrences: 1
• child, 1
Luk_2:5
- Original: κῦμα
- Transliteration: Kuma
- Phonetic: koo'-mah
- Definition:
1. a wave (swell) esp. of the sea or of a lake
a. of impulse and restless men, tossed to and fro by their raging passions
- Origin: from kuo (to swell [with young], i.e bend, curve)
- TDNT entry: None
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Neuter
- Strong's: From κύω kuō(to swell [with young] that is bend curve ); a billow (as bursting or toppling ): - wave.
Total KJV Occurrences: 5
• waves, 5
Mat_8:24 ; Mat_14:24 ; Mar_4:37 ; Act_27:41 ; Jud_1:13
GREAT WITH CHILD - fits the definition fine.
Last edited by Green Cochoa; 05/26/19 07:36 PM. Reason: Enabled HTML in post
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Circumstances of Jesus' Birth: Were they Questioned?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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05/26/19 08:33 PM
05/26/19 08:33 PM
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One thing you can prove from literature --
In later years Mary was portrayed as having an illegitimate son and fabricating the virgin birth story.
It's not unreasonable at all to accept this was already brewing, with whispered rumors, and disdainful glances, in the early years in Nazareth, and came to be more widespread when the gospel claimed His was a virgin birth and made it plain Joseph was not Jesus' biological father. Those who knew Jesus was man, but rejected His claims as the Son of God, would see the rumors as truth.
For the gospel writers (Matthew) to use the virgin birth as a sign of fulfilled prophecy there had to be some EVIDENCE that this was so- known by others not just Mary and the deceased Joseph, that something out of normal wedlock had occurred.
And scripture says:
"When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child"(Matt. 1:18)
It was by the Holy Spirit -- but that is outside the normal and believed by faith. Those that "found her with child" without that faith naturally assume illegitimacy.
If a website is questioning this -- saying only Mary and then Joseph knew -- not their parents, brothers and sisters, relatives, close neighbors and friends, it is they that present the more unreasonable assumptions, if it is an assumption to believe that Christ suffered accusations of illegitimacy.
The verse saying Mary "was found with child" is really the best text you have provided so far. Unfortunately, it comes short of saying Jesus' legitimacy was ever publicly questioned. I guess we only have Ellen White's say-so for that. Blessings, Green Cochoa. The resort to Strong was unnecessary. - Luke says that when Joseph traveled to Bethlehem, he went with HIS WIFE which means that he and the heavily pregnant Mary (she gave birth in the town) were seen as a couple already. Jesus was not born to a single mother.
- Earlier, Joseph, finding that Mary had conceived, wanted to put her away privately suggesting that her unusual pregnancy was not public knowledge yet; but God advised him not to break the engagement already in place, but to hasten the date of the wedding. As it is written, "Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David." Luke 1:26-27 And again, "Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus." Mat. 1:24-25
- Anyone looking from the outside, therefore, would have reached the same conclusion as Luke said they IN FACT did, that "Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph ..." Luke 3:23
- In short, the prior engagement of Joseph and Mary and the bringing forward of the date of their wedding provided cover for the birth of the Son of God, making it NEVER a subject of derogatory speculation... as all the corroborating scriptures in the Gospels quoted in this thread clearly testify.
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