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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Nadi] #189149
04/18/19 12:44 AM
04/18/19 12:44 AM
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I think he is trying to say that it isn't OK.
Originally Posted By: Nadi
Originally Posted By: Rick H
So then what I understand you to be saying is that this music and this type of worship in an SDA church is OK.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #189153
04/18/19 12:07 PM
04/18/19 12:07 PM
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It happened at our other SDA church too back in the east coast, they dropped the use of the hymnal and brought in the 'praise team'. Then the 'band' showed up and at first played softly, but then they got electric instruments and it got "amplified". Soon it was just "jamming" and people that felt the beat got up and danced. We had to leave that church that my own sister had help start, and we seemed to have jumped out of the pot and into the fire.

We came to a church on the west coast of Florida that worshiped reverently and with all the sacredness you would expect in a Adventist church. Then after years of raising money and getting our building fund were we needed, we built a new church, and it started all over again. Here is how they started the "praise team" and "band" with their instruments and of course the drums, on the pulpit at the 'newly built' church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LK_ljg7NFU

Soft at first, and we let it go, but then they had the band perform on a Saturday night in which they dropped all pretense and blasted away where even other churches asked us what was going on. We then had a wedding for a church member and the band played and people were asked to "get out on the floor and dance" and "show their best moves". It went from bad to worse, there was no longer any reverence to speak of, and the church soon emptied out, and it was devastating, but we left it.

Last edited by Rick H; 04/20/19 07:02 PM.
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #189160
04/19/19 07:54 PM
04/19/19 07:54 PM
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Sounds very nice and soft. I noticed the video was 4 years ago and couldn't find more recent ones listed there.

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #189162
04/20/19 03:56 PM
04/20/19 03:56 PM
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So far as church music goes I enjoy a light rock beat. I usually do not enjoy organ music.

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: kland] #189164
04/20/19 06:33 PM
04/20/19 06:33 PM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: kland
Sounds very nice and soft. I noticed the video was 4 years ago and couldn't find more recent ones listed there.


Well, that video was one of the first times they got up there, so it was soft, but then they hired a 'band' who rocked it, but they had to let them go as it put the church into debt, after we had paid off the mortgage. So I don't know who they are using now, but I heard them a few weeks back 'warming up' before the second service when I visited, and they were 'rocking' it, but that never gets into the video....

Last edited by Rick H; 04/20/19 06:42 PM.
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #189165
04/20/19 06:49 PM
04/20/19 06:49 PM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Oh, yeah, a family has started a first service at 8 am, holding a "traditional" SDA worship service so I went to check it out, with hymnals and what I would say reverence and the sermon and Sabbath School in between. Then those who like the rock, come for second service, when the band is there.... as the old saying, 'separate but equal'.

Last edited by Rick H; 04/20/19 07:03 PM.
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #189166
04/20/19 07:40 PM
04/20/19 07:40 PM
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I am happy to say that I am not aware of anything like that happening in our Conference.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Daryl] #189211
04/27/19 12:13 AM
04/27/19 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
I am happy to say that I am not aware of anything like that happening in our Conference.


I read you as saying the lack of awareness is due to the lack of such activity rather than having it happen under the radar while unknown to you.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Daryl] #189221
04/29/19 07:26 AM
04/29/19 07:26 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
I am happy to say that I am not aware of anything like that happening in our Conference.


It will start with the Youth, as they are the most impressible minds and those most susceptible. Take a look in your conference at the youth programs or ask the Pathfinder leaders and ask them if the electric guitars and drums have been introduced to the Sabbath programs or up front at the sermon or pulpit at the camporees. Using the simple songs from their songbooks they then "rock" them up so the kids get used to it, then they spread it across the board to any youth program such as AY or special programs in church such as presentations of the new youth members in the club. Then once they get it in the church, they bring in what the youth like, the tech, sound boards, monster speakers really not needed indoors, and video all around such as for the words of the song since they don't come from the hymnbook. Then once they have it in place its just a matter of 'cranking up the volume' and soon they have the whole church filled with what I can only call 'rock and roll' and the members numb and complacent.

Last edited by Rick H; 04/29/19 07:28 AM.
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: James Peterson] #189602
05/29/19 04:40 AM
05/29/19 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Originally Posted By: James Peterson

I will answer you, if you answer me concerning Jesus Christ, "To what denomination of Judaism did He belong: Pharisee, Sadducee, Essene or Zealot?"

Mat. 21:24-25

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What are you so afraid of?
A one sided conversation, where you maintain an artificial advantage by hiding, is not the act of a child of the Light, but that of a troll!
If you are unable to defend your beliefs, perhaps they are wrong?
If you are ashamed of your denomination, perhaps it is time for a change?

All for your information and guidance:

Originally Posted By: Daryl
As it was never Christ's intent that His Church would break off into countless denominations, I would say that Christ belonged to no denomination of Judaism and no denomination of Christianity.

I can also say that there will not be any denominations of any sort after the Second Coming.


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Are you attempting to justify hiding in the shadows, by saying that Jesus did not have a denomination, and there will be no denominations in heaven? Your straw man argument is obvious: I never claimed that Jesus belonged to a denomination or that they would exist in heaven. Your words, not mine.

The fact is that what differentiates denominations is their doctrines. And God’s Word is filled with doctrine. "I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law." Proverbs 4:2
The SDA denomination does not "forsake the law". We acknowledge all Ten Commandments as the definition of sin. Does yours?

"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.". John 7:16

The present day attacks on the Seventh Day Adventist church by other denominations are because it accepts the doctrines of the Father and the Son. Does yours?

Quit cowering behind pharisaic sophistry. I have shared my denomination. Show me the same respect, share yours. If your doctrine is so strong, so biblical, what do you have to fear from the weak, unbiblical teachings of Seventh Day Adventists?


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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