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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #190093
07/13/19 07:30 AM
07/13/19 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Show us the truth then.

Your error is outsourcing your thinking to others. Others differ widely. Is truth ever determined by a majority vote?

Think for yourself. Show from the Bible when the Jewish year starts.

It appears that why you have yet to even attempt to show it, is because you have never given it a thought.

If you are making prophetic statements based upon the Jewish year, then would it be out of the way for you to at least make an effort to show when the Jewish year starts from the Bible?
That's not asking too much, is it?


I paused this study to double check the material that I have presented.

Kland, As usual, you assume and presume too much.

The Day of Atonement falls on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month. That is in September or October on the Gregorian calendar.

In 1844, the Day of Atonement fell on 22 October. [That is a fact that you will be hard pressed to prove.] But those that lived in 1844 were diligent in determining the date of the Day of Atonement..

On 22 October 1844, the judgment of the dead commenced. The Roman Church was dead, having received its deadly wound in 1798. Peter states that Judgment begins at the house of God; the judgment of the dead house of God began 22 October 1844.

The judgment is to begin at a certain time and to continue for a specific duration...an HOUR.

The first mention of a day is in Genesis. God told Adam that he would die "in the day" that he ate of the forbidden tree. Adam did not die in the literal 24 hour day. Nor did he die in the year (day for a year application) that he ate. Adam died at 930 years old, which is on the 1000 year day timeframe that David and Peter link to God. Jesus recognized that a day has 12 hours. God's 1000-year day divided by 12 gives the duration of an hour as 83 years 4 months. This is the length of a Judgment Hour and history confirms it.

The Judgment hour of the dead that began 22 October 1844 ended 83 years 4 months later on 22 February 1928, while the dead church was still DEAD. There was a tarrying time in which the Dead Church was healed of its deadly wound. The healing was from February 1929 to June of that year. The dead church was ALIVE when the Day of Atonement arrived 14 October 1929. Thus, when the tarrying time ended, the Judgment of the LIVING CHURCH began.14 October 1929.

The judgment hour of the living church continued for 83 years 4 months from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013. Notice that the healed papal-beast in Rev 13 has 7 heads. The SOP states that Pius VI was the one led into captivity and that received the deadly wound. From that tidbit, the SOP is saying that a head on the papal beast is a pope.

From the 1929 healing of the deadly wound only 7 solo popes/heads reigned: Pope Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI. When the 83 year 4 month hour ended Benedict XVI resigned in February 2013 as the proclamation of Revelation 18 announced "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" because of her fornication. He resigned in the midst of the priests' fornication scandal.

The ten horns that were linked to the 7 popes are the American Presidents: Truman (who called fire down from heaven on japan), Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. President Bush II was the anointed prince of the protestant covenant. Power transitioned from the papal sea-beast while Benedict XVI reigned to the earth-beast with duo horns while Bush II reigned. Thus, we are living in the days of earth-beast with the lamblike horns.

Since the earth-beast has duo horns, I counted Bush II as horn one and President Obama as horn duo. But no matter how much I believed it, this was not historically correct. Where was the mistake?

Pope John-Paul was identified in Daniel 7 as speaking great words and plucking up Presidents: Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. Pope John-Paul II was identified in Revelation 13 as toppling communism, receiving a deadly wound from which he survived, and living exactly 42 full months from 9/11/01 until his death 4/2/05. (Oct., Nov., Dec. 2001, 12 each 2002, 2003, 2004, & Jan., Feb., and Mar. 2005= 42 full months). But I was asked to explain the time that remained that was unaccounted for in Sept 2001 and April 2005.

On the Hebrew Calendar Adar I is added at specific intervals to keep it in sync with the Solar calendar (Gregorian Calendar that most folks are familiar with). From 9/11/01 to 4/2/05 the month of Adar I was added exactly twice. In fact, from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05 the Hebrew calendar has it exactly 42 & 2 months to the very day.

When duo was studied, Luke 10:1 states that Jesus sent them out duo (two and two). That missing piece of the puzzle reveals that duo that occurs twice in Revelation 13 should be read as TWO AND TWO. History confirms it on the Hebrew calendar in the 42 & 2 month reign of Pope John-Paul II from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05, and prophecy tentatively confirms it in the duo horns of the beast with the lamblike horns that were NOT limited to Bush II and Obama. President Trump is the third horn of the duo. That being true TWO & TWO horns must indicate that there is one more President yet to arise on the earth-beast.

My prayerful study indicates that Michael Pence will stand for his people after President Trump is "broken" and that the war with Iran will correlate with the transition of power to President Pence.

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Much of the history that has taken place in fulfillment of this prophecy [Daniel 11] will be repeated. In the thirtieth verse a power is spoken of that "shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant." [Verses 31-36, quoted.] {13MR 394.1}


That correlates with the establishment of the Mark of the beast and the Time of Trouble and Christ standing for His people.

In my posts on this thread, I have been going through the prophecies step by step to show how they get to this President Pence and to show that it is not speculation, but sound Bible study. Unfortunately, the responses that have been received do not always look at the facts presented. The respondents do not see the big picture, but only see the historical traditional views that are not up to date. So many are going backwards when we need to go forward.

If the old adage is true "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

Is it worth my time and effort to continue to try to present the sound biblical teaching that will prepare those who will not see or who refuse to see the danger that is clearly pointed out in seeing the Third Angel's Message aright?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #190113
07/15/19 01:31 PM
07/15/19 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by His child
The Day of Atonement falls on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month. That is in September or October on the Gregorian calendar.

In 1844, the Day of Atonement fell on 22 October. [That is a fact that you will be hard pressed to prove.] But those that lived in 1844 were diligent in determining the date of the Day of Atonement..

Yes, that is what I'm asking! Show due diligent work in determining your Jewish year and dates.

His child, you don't have to use Jewish days in making your prophecies. But you have chosen to do so. Therefore, if you are basing your prophecy on Jewish days, then you need to show due diligence in determining them. And not just saying because the majority of some Jews say so.

Be honest. Show due diligence. Show how you have determined from the Bible when the Jewish year starts, when the Jewish days are, and then you can say on such and such a day something is going to happen.

Do you think this is an unreasonable request?

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #190152
07/18/19 09:27 AM
07/18/19 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Originally Posted by His child
The Day of Atonement falls on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month. That is in September or October on the Gregorian calendar.

In 1844, the Day of Atonement fell on 22 October. [That is a fact that you will be hard pressed to prove.] But those that lived in 1844 were diligent in determining the date of the Day of Atonement..

Yes, that is what I'm asking! Show due diligent work in determining your Jewish year and dates.
...


Since I did that very thing in showing step by step the following

1) Jerusalem fell 605 BC to begin Jeremiah's 70 years of desolation that are doubled
2) Jerusalem and Temple were rebuilt after 70 years doubled (140 years)
3) first rebuild command issued by Cyrus 535 BC at end of 70 years
4) 70 years doubled ended 465 BC
5) After brief tarrying time (465-464) final decree was issued
6) 2300 days extended from 464 to Ezra's arrival in Jerusalem in 457
7) last rebuild command by Artaxerxes 457 BC
8) After the literal 2300 days ended the Temple was cleansed on Day of Atonement 457
9) 2300 years began 457 BC ended 1843 on Day of Atonement
10) after a brief tarrying time, 2300 years ended again 1844 on Day of Atonement
11) Judgment of dead began 22 October 1844 and ended 22 February 1928
12) Judgment Hour began at the dead house of God...RC was dead February 1798
13) A Judgment hour is millennial time 83 years 4 months
14) The dead RC was alive with Lateran Treaty 1929
15) A brief tarrying time from 22 February 1928 until 14 October 1929
16) Judgment of living began 14 October 1929 and ended 14 February 2013
17) Endtime decree to rebuild Jerusalem 31 May 1998
18) GW Protestant Prince of America's Covenant inaugurated 20 January 2001
19) Revelation 13 focus shifted from papal beast's 7th head to earth beast's first horn
20) President Bush failed 11 September 2001
21) GW confirmed Covenant/Constitution for 1 week 11/17 to 11/23 2001
22) in the midst of the week (11/20/01) GW took away Christ's Sacrifice and Oblation
23) The 2nd horn on the earth beast was President Obama
24) Duo horns means 2 plus 2: GW, Obama, Trump, Pence
25) Babylonian calculation Pope Benedict XVI left office short of 7 years (short space)
26) Benedict left during fornication scandal...fornicating Babylon is fallen
27) 2 living popes with a third soon to come
28) #IranUSwar aligns with Trump getting broken and Pence being last President

If the Holy Spirit is not showing it to you, it is not my lack of due diligence.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #190155
07/18/19 02:34 PM
07/18/19 02:34 PM
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His child, read my question again and tell me how your answer answered it.
Telling about how your prophecies are doubled does not even begin to tell when the Jewish year starts.

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #190167
07/19/19 12:47 AM
07/19/19 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
His child, read my question again and tell me how your answer answered it.
Telling about how your prophecies are doubled does not even begin to tell when the Jewish year starts.


I have explained how the prophecies align with the Jewish year. If you doubt the accuracy of the presentation please give a date that you think is correct and the evidence that establishes it.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #190174
07/19/19 11:40 AM
07/19/19 11:40 AM
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Yes, that's what I thought you did - answered some other question.

But my question should involve a 1 or 2 sentence answer if not a 1 or 2 word answer. Why do you not answer it?

You could respond by saying you don't know, have not done due diligence in finding out, and nor do you really care when the Jewish year starts.

And that is so sad for someone who supposedly is basing his made up prophecies on the Jewish year......
At least make a feeble attempt. Many others have come up with varying creative ways and methods and ideas even though they can't all be correct.

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #190175
07/19/19 11:42 AM
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But what should one expect from one who thinks an ω is a w?

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #190204
07/21/19 09:26 AM
07/21/19 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by His child
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25) Babylonian calculation Pope Benedict XVI left office short of 7 years (short space)
26) Benedict left during fornication scandal...fornicating Babylon is fallen
27) 2 living popes with a third soon to come
28) #IranUSwar aligns with Trump getting broken and Pence being last President

Even Donald Trump is in the Bible?? And Mike Pence too? Maybe I'm there somewhere and don't even know it. I must investigate further.

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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #190208
07/21/19 09:40 AM
07/21/19 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Yes, that's what I thought you did - answered some other question.

But my question should involve a 1 or 2 sentence answer if not a 1 or 2 word answer. Why do you not answer it?

You could respond by saying you don't know, have not done due diligence in finding out, and nor do you really care when the Jewish year starts.

And that is so sad for someone who supposedly is basing his made up prophecies on the Jewish year......
At least make a feeble attempt. Many others have come up with varying creative ways and methods and ideas even though they can't all be correct.


If there is something you don't understand,
you can always rephrase your question or look it up yourself.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: James Peterson] #190209
07/21/19 09:53 AM
07/21/19 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by James Peterson
Originally Posted by His child
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25) Babylonian calculation Pope Benedict XVI left office short of 7 years (short space)
26) Benedict left during fornication scandal...fornicating Babylon is fallen
27) 2 living popes with a third soon to come
28) #IranUSwar aligns with Trump getting broken and Pence being last President

Even Donald Trump is in the Bible?? And Mike Pence too? Maybe I'm there somewhere and don't even know it. I must investigate further.

///



Of course you are there.
There are two groups that include everyone:
The Wise or The Foolish.
The sheep or the goats
the wheat or the tares
the saved or the lost

But you probably don't need to be identified publicly to make the prophecies understandable like Kings Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, Cyrus, or Presidents Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump and Pence. Or like Popes Pius VI, XI, XII, John-Paul II, & Benedict XVI.

All these folks have had a prominent place in Bible prophecy.
The prophecies are getting down to the final act.
The war with Iran is not far off and
the Mark of the Beast with President Pence at the helm in the USA is soon to follow.

So Be wise and Be ready


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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