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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190114
07/15/19 01:37 PM
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I think you mean, "not then"?

Yes, I did.

It does seem like one reasonable idea would be that procreation served as some example of understanding, and after Christ, that is no longer needed.

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: dedication] #190115
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Originally Posted by dedication
Why no marriage?

Yes, when I was young it seemed like a serious drawback to think of no marriage in heaven.

But think of the reality of marriage in this world -- happy marriages are not really the norm., they do exist, (I know from experience) but the reality is that there has been a huge amount of misery and heart ache connected with marriage and man-kinds means of reproduction on this planet over the last 6000 years. The harems, the multiple partners, the abused, the divorced, the incompatible ones, the child marriages, the forced marriages, the abducted brides, the rapes and the whole transgender mess If you think through the different cultures and practices and realities you will find more problems to add to the list. It is a "mess".
Do you think that those kind of people would be in heaven? The first murderer was one who grew fruits and vegetables. Does that mean we can't grow fruits and vegetables in heaven? Lots of people kill each other, yet people will be in heaven. Just because sin is on this earth doesn't mean sinless beings won't be able to handle those situations in heaven.

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It makes me think that in heaven the whole reproductive/marriage system will be no more, and everyone will be an individual in their own right, friends with everyone, Christ being the love of their lives.
Sorting out all the marriage problems from this earth would be a night mare.

Just like the question asked of Jesus -- "Whose wife will she be, for seven brothers married her in succession"?
Indeed how would that be resolved?
Interesting that they didn't ask "Who will be Solomon's wife -- for he had a 1000?

But this addresses a different question, why not be rejoined to our spouse in heaven.

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: kland] #190135
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Originally Posted by kland
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I think you mean, "not then"?

Yes, I did.

It does seem like one reasonable idea would be that procreation served as some example of understanding, and after Christ, that is no longer needed.

Whatever it is, we might never know for a thousand years. God chose to make angels, humans, animals, plants and things. Does a dog ever wonder why it is a dog? Does it look at its master and shake its head? "I'm far more righteous than that self-righteous slob," it might be thinking. Who knows? What we do know is that only humans were made in the image and likeness of God, there'll be no marriage in heaven and since angels do not multiply, and we will be like them, then enough children of God will be brought into existence according to Divine will.

It is written concerning this matter, "who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13. God is wealthy beyond all imagination. He has a huge mansion with houses everywhere all over the universe. He can easily, EASILY afford to have 100,000,000,000 children with lots of room to spare.

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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190143
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The following was written to a man who had fallen in love with a woman who was not his wife, and he was thinking that in heaven he would have the privilege of marrying her and raising a bunch of children.

Originally Posted by EGW
The enemy of souls has gained much when he can lead the imagination of one of Jehovah's chosen watchmen to dwell upon
the possibilities of association, in the world to come, with some woman whom he loves, and of there raising up a family. We need no such pleasing pictures. All such views originate in the mind of the tempter. {MM 100.7}
We have the plain assurance of Christ that in the world to come, the redeemed "neither marry, nor are given in marriage: neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." {MM 101.1}
It is presented to me that spiritual fables are taking many captive. Their minds are sensual, and, unless a change comes, this will prove their ruin. To all who are indulging these unholy fancies I would say, Stop; for Christ's sake, stop right where you are. You are on forbidden ground. Repent, I entreat of you, and be converted.--Letter 231, 1903. {MM 101.2}


Strong statement -- however, it was also addressing the adulterous situation the man was imagining, and that he needed to get back to loving and respecting his wife here on earth.


Kland -- all the heartaches and pain the marriage system has experienced over the centuries is speaking of sins committed against a relational way of life.
The examples you gave don't compare.
A person who grows fruits and vegetables has no relationship with Cain.
But a person who arrives in heaven and told they must be married to their former spouse for eternity would be placed in that relationship for eternity.
A few would rejoice, but millions would not think that heaven.

That doesn't mean one can't be reunited with their spouse -- of course they can -- but as best of friends throughout eternity not in a marriage relationship-- both will be equal with the angels (not just the men)
So yes, my example does relate to the question -- why didn't they ask who Solomon's wife would be since he had 1000, why worry about the woman who had seven husbands in succession? They probably thought Solomon would have ALL those wives, but the woman could only have one husband. See-- the mess of marriage this world has made throughout history. It would not be heaven to resume it -- there has to be another plan for relationships in heaven for it to be heaven.

And yes, I'm happy to leave it in God's hands -- He has plans of which we are incapable to comprehend -- and it will be heaven!
He is to be the love of our lives --
Remember the citizen's of the New Jerusalem are pictured as the BRIDE, and Christ the Bridegroom.
The marriage of the Lamb --
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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: dedication] #190154
07/18/19 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication

But a person who arrives in heaven and told they must be married to their former spouse for eternity would be placed in that relationship for eternity.
A few would rejoice, but millions would not think that heaven.

Dedication, do you think both of those people, who would not want to be married to each other, would be in heaven?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190200
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Good question, kland.

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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190218
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'The reason God created marriage is so that we can appreciate not being married in heaven all the more'?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: kland] #190222
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Originally Posted by kland
'The reason God created marriage is so that we can appreciate not being married in heaven all the more'?

Why do you say that?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190223
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Summarizing Dedication?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: kland] #190246
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Originally Posted by kland
'The reason God created marriage is so that we can appreciate not being married in heaven all the more'?

Have you ever bitten your tongue? Doesn't food that finds itself in your mouth tremble in fear at the thought of being swallowed? Nevertheless one grain says to the other, "Be of good cheer, my friend. We will return in this mouth, as this mouth." Surely what is in the stomach must be bruised and broken by the environment. Life is inevitable.

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