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[*]Jesus said that He was the ONLY begotten Son of God and again, just before He left, while praying, "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5 And John opened his gospel declaring that, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." John 1:1-4 The Word is THE Holy Spirit, that which gives life but cannot be seen.[/list]

THERE IS NO THIRD PERSON OF ANY GODHEAD. Those who say there is are giving voice to Hinduism's pantheon of a trinity.

Greetings again James. I recognize there are questions and objections to this topic, but in terms of dealing with the central issue, I find it helpful to examine from Scripture what it means when it talks about Jesus "proceeding from the Father." That and "only begotten" are two, commonly misunderstood terms

God: The Holy Spirit: Part 2

A closer look at the texts involved does show THREE, not two entities. I imagine people will debate well into eternity about the exact nature of same; but the whole point of all scripture on the topic is so that we dont make that mistake regarding trying to make scripture say what we think "must be" the very nature/physical make-up of Deity. All we can know is there are THREE. I have some more comments, but have to go for now. May God bless the reading of His Word on this most important subject.

IT is SDA who say they worship THREE gods and like Hindus (who have such a pantheon) seek to slyly palm their pantheon off by saying it is about THREE manifestations of one god.

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May I remind you that it was John who opened his gospel declaring that, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." John 1:1-4 The Word is THE Holy Spirit, that which gives life but cannot be seen.

If ALL things were created THROUGH the Word (i.e. THE Holy Spirit, aka Jesus Christ) then it must mean as Jesus Himself said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner." John 5:19 So making Our Father in heaven, the ONLY TRUE GOD.

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, [O Father,] the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

THE Holy Spirit is and has a definite form as Jesus Christ.

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Greetings James, as I mentioned before, the problem, (one of them) with what you are posting here is all of the "ifs" and the "must means..." There is no solid line of scriptural reasoning for sometimes saying "the word is the holy spirit," "The Holy spirit is Jesus;"etc etc I mean, which is it? None of those scriptures actually say what you are claiming them to.

The plain Bible facts for this subject are very clear in scripture: The Three Personalities of "The Eternal Godhead" each equally serve the other two, and all THREE equally defer to one another in their ministry to all people from all times. The Son says what He hears from The Father, (John 12:49-50), the Father witnesses to, and glorifies The Son, (John 8:16-18, John 8:50, John 8:54), both The Father & The Son honor The Holy Spirit by commissioning Him to speak in their name: (John 14:16, John 14:26), and The Holy Spirit honors The Father & The Son as THEIR ADVOCATE (paraklete) in our hearts to lift up Jesus & Him crucified. (see John 15:26)

There is a clear line of scriptural reasoning for what I am posting here; and The Holy Spirit does speak EXPRESSLY in these latter day times that many will be seduced by the doctrines of demons. It is really important to know God Exactly as He presents Himself in scripture - not according to our "private interpretation" "must be's" If we have to resort to "must be" instead of "the Bible says" then it quite simply, CAN'T BE.


For more scripture reference on what I am saying: The Spirit Speaks Expressly: 1 Tim 4:1

So then, the Comforter (THE Holy Spirit) is Jesus Christ. And Mat. 28:20b agrees perfectly: " ... and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen." But how is Jesus with us always? Through the ministry of His angels as Heb. 1:14 tells us plainly: "Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?"

It is evident therefore that THE Holy Spirit was manifested in the definite human form of Jesus of Nazareth, for man was made in the image and likeness of God, as it is written in Gen. 1.

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Greetings again James Another problem I see in what you are saying has been spelled out, very evidently:

Your claim: Jesus was the "manifestation" of God The Spirit

Jesus does not agree with you. He specifically states ANOTHER Comforter, not the same Comforter. Its about context and place; NOT SUBSTANCE of any of The Three.

The claim Of Scripture; and of Christ, Himself: The Holy Spirit is/was ANOTHER Comforter." "Another cannot possibly mean "the same One. Thats why its called "another." Its impossible to be mistaken on that point.

I find that one really interesting thing can be learned by looking at how the different Bible versions choose to word things here.

The KJV says it like this:



If we were to go with the view point that your post suggests here, then we would have to concede that the Scripture does contradict itself, which I would recommend is NOT the case at all. Why would Jesus in one place say ANOTHER COMFORTER," and then in Genesis, essentially contradict that, in order to support your theory here? Does it make sense to you that Jesus would do something like that?

Now when we look at the NET version of this same verse, it brings out one point that is right on par with other scripture context and modalities: I wish to make here:



Paraclete is actually not an easy word to translate in English here-in fact there is no one single word in the English language that would cover it properly, and therefore, ANOTHER ADVOCATE is certainly appropriate here. When Jesus ascended to heaven (another reason He is not physically here, (see Heb 7:25, etc), Jesus is in heaven pleading "My blood, Father," and ANOTHER Comforter,, God The Holy Spirit is here with us to guide, strengthen and comfort us. The thing to remember about the Ministry of The Spirit is that God the Spirit was/is "ANOTHER ADVOCATE" who advocated for Jesus to us; while Jesus advocates to the Father in The heavenly, for us. When we adhere to only the revealed context here, it is quite simple and no need to to try struggling with using phrases such as "it must be..." in describing some alleged preconceived physical make up o r Substance of any Deity

The Helper: Jesus Favorite Name for the Holy Spirit

Obviously he thought of the Third Person of the Trinity as the Holy Spirit because of His title. But is a title the same thing as a name? The title "Father" for the First Person of the Trinity is designated a name (see John 17:1). This was Jesus' favorite name for God. The Second Person of the Trinity is Jesus: "You shall call His name Jesus" (Matt. 1:21). Yet, Jesus' favorite name for Himself was "Son of Man," a title He used more than any other.

The name or title "Spirit" is used approximately 500 times in Scripture in reference to the Third Person, and the combined term "Holy Spirit" is used approximately 100 times. The expression "Holy Ghost," used 91 times in the King James Version, should be translated Holy Spirit.

In my next post I will address your ideas of Gen chapter 1. I have some remarks re Heb 1:14 for my next post here, plus a comment or two on your claims re Gen, chapter 1


James; we are brothers in Christ. I appreciate your earnest desire to find truth and stay with it I look forward to more correspondence with you on this and learning more things I didnt know before May the Lord bless you and keep you, and make His Face to shine upon you.

Your brother IN Christ, David

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That is a good summary of one of the wonderful works of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit takes the deeper meaning of our prayers, "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." and takes them to Jesus.

Christ, our Mediator, AND the Holy Spirit are constantly interceding in our behalf, but there is a difference in their work -- the Spirit's intercession is not the same as Christ who presents His blood, shed from the foundation of the world; the Spirit works upon our hearts, drawing out prayers and repentance, enabling us to sense our great needs and claim God's promises, and drawing out our, utterances of praise and thanksgiving. He then translates them to express our great need and inner most desires for righteousness and our utterances of praise and thanksgiving, and sends those prayers to Jesus, Jesus, as our Meditator before the Father, mixes in His merits and the blood of cleansing, and presents our prayers as sweet incense before the Father. (See Romans 8:26-27 and Rev. 8:3-4)

Thank you; and yes, I agree about that difference in their work. I found a brief commentary about this topic in a book called "The Faith That I Live By:

A Personal God



God is a Spirit; yet He is a personal being; for so He has revealed Himself. {FLB 40.2}

As a personal being, God has revealed Himself in His Son. The outshining of the Father's glory, "and the express image of his person," Jesus, as a personal Saviour, came to the world. As a personal Saviour He ascended on high. As a personal Saviour He intercedes in the heavenly courts. {FLB 40.3}

I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and admired His lovely person. The Father's person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, "If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist." {FLB 40.4}

The theory that God is an essence pervading all nature is received by many who profess to believe the Scriptures; but, however beautifully clothed, this theory is a most dangerous deception. . . . If God is an essence pervading all nature, then He dwells in all men; and in order to attain holiness, man has only to develop the power within him. These theories [pantheism, etc.], followed to their logical conclusion, . . . do away with the necessity for the atonement and make man his own savior. . . Those who accept them are in great danger of being led finally to look upon the whole Bible as a fiction. . . . {FLB 40.5}

The revelation of Himself that God has given in His Word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. None are to indulge in speculation regarding His nature. Here silence is eloquence. The Omniscient One is above discussion. {FLB 40.6}