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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190543
08/16/19 07:26 AM
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Both the Bible and EGW are clear that there will not be marriage after the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ for the reason that on account of sin marriage came to an end at the death of one of the spouse's leaving it open for the living person to marry again.

As it is clear that marriage ends at death, it is also clear that marriage also ends as an institution at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

And yes, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him." 1 Cor. 2:9


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Mountain Man] #190547
08/16/19 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Man
In the beginning Jesus told A&E (the human race) to multiply and fill the Earth. Then what? Stop having children? Or, move to another planet and do it all over again. For eternity. We may never know what might have been. Can't imagine growing up and not being allowed to have children because the limit has been reached.

Down the line of original planned sinless earth: Son, you are the last one to meet the requirements of "fill the earth". Too bad, but you will not be getting married nor having children.

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Daryl] #190548
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Originally Posted by Daryl
Both the Bible and EGW are clear that there will not be marriage after the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ for the reason that on account of sin marriage came to an end at the death of one of the spouse's leaving it open for the living person to marry again.

As it is clear that marriage ends at death, it is also clear that marriage also ends as an institution at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

And yes, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him." 1 Cor. 2:9

So therefore, could we conclude there may be other things/ institutions which existed and were planned prior to sin which ended with sin, the Cross, Second coming, or with the end of this earth?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190558
08/16/19 03:38 PM
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I think Daryl meant that our marriage vows come to an end when our spouse dies.
That is -- everyone who was married all through earth's history were released from their vows at the death of their spouse..
Thus at the resurrection, those vows are NOT reinstated.

It has nothing to do with prophecy and it's fulfillment -- the cross was a one time event the second coming will be a one time event, etc. There won't be another cross, or another second coming after that.

Question--
Are the angels terrible deprived because they do not marry or give birth?

Why do people think they will be so terribly deprived if they can't be in a sexual relationship?
Why would anyone want to be eternally pregnant populating planet after planet???

There is absolutely nothing that says we won't have beautiful relationships with the people we loved on earth. In fact we have lots of confirmation that we will have wonderful relationships -- so that isn't the issue.

Also there may be lots of children in heaven whose parents didn't make it -- who need someone.

Scripture says plainly that there is no marriage or giving in marriage, we will be like the angels.
Why not simply accept that and trust that God has wonderful plans for His children, instead of trying to shape that future for ourselves according to our plans?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190609
08/19/19 12:59 PM
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What if both spouses never die but are translated?

Ask your same questions regarding Adam and Eve prior to sin.


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Scripture says plainly that there is no marriage or giving in marriage, we will be like the angels.
Why not simply accept that and trust that God has wonderful plans for His children, instead of trying to shape that future for ourselves according to our plans?
Yes. Marriage was given so we can appreciate all the more of not being married in the new earth.

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190610
08/19/19 01:02 PM
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There were two institutions founded in Eden that were not lost in the fall,--the Sabbath and the marriage relation. These were carried by man beyond the gates of paradise. He who loves and observes the Sabbath, and maintains the purity of the marriage institution, thereby proves himself the friend of man and the friend of God. He who by precept or example lessens the obligation of these sacred institutions is the enemy of both God and man, and is using his influence and his God-given talents to bring in a state of confusion and moral corruption. {ST, February 28, 1884 par. 11}

One survives but not the other?
Neither survive?
Or why one and not the other?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: kland] #190673
08/27/19 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
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There were two institutions founded in Eden that were not lost in the fall,--the Sabbath and the marriage relation. These were carried by man beyond the gates of paradise. He who loves and observes the Sabbath, and maintains the purity of the marriage institution, thereby proves himself the friend of man and the friend of God. He who by precept or example lessens the obligation of these sacred institutions is the enemy of both God and man, and is using his influence and his God-given talents to bring in a state of confusion and moral corruption. {ST, February 28, 1884 par. 11}

One survives but not the other?
Neither survive?
Or why one and not the other?

What is YOUR view on marriage in heaven?

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190675
08/27/19 12:40 PM
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My view is that the Bible says there is no marriage, but it is an institution that is founded in Eden before sin. So therefore, there may be something about Jesus' words in that passage which we do not fully understand.

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: kland] #190688
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Originally Posted by kland
My view is that the Bible says there is no marriage, but it is an institution that is founded in Eden before sin. So therefore, there may be something about Jesus' words in that passage which we do not fully understand.

But there're a few things that were native to the time before Adam and Eve fell that would not be in heaven. For example, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the four rivers, death .... Do you still offer animal sacrifices in the privacy of your own home, lest anyone should know? I suppose the larger question should be "Do you appreciate that certain things are relevant in a particular era but not in others?"

Re: "Heaven and the Supposed lack of Marriage" [Re: Davros] #190783
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Please, tell us about this "death" that was native to the time before Adam and Eve fell.

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