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Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191127
10/23/19 10:15 AM
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What are we saved from -- But is that the right question?
What are we lost from? Why are we lost? What causes us to be lost? How are we lost?

Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191129
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John 12:32 says,? "And I [CHRIST], if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me" [CHRIST].

As the serpent was lifted up so Christ was also lifted up. Those who looked upon the serpent received healing and those who look upon Christ also receive healing.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191130
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You should quote the originial verse as it was written: John 12:32 And I, [CHRIST] if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all to me[ CHRIST].

The word "men" is supplied. Christ was a witness to men and to angels! She left off "men" multiple times such as DA are PP. Example: But the plan of redemption had a yet broader and deeper purpose than the salvation of man. It was not for this alone that Christ came to the earth; it was not merely that the inhabitants of this little world might regard the law of God as it should be regarded; but it was to vindicate the character of God before the universe. To this result of His great sacrifice--its influence upon the intelligences of other worlds, as well as upon man--the Saviour looked forward when just before His crucifixion He said: "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto Me." John 12:31-32. The act of Christ in dying for the salvation of man would not only make heaven accessible to men, but before all the universe it would justify God and His Son in their dealing with the rebellion of Satan. It would establish the perpetuity of the law of God and would reveal the nature and the results of sin. {PP 68.2}


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What are we saved from -- But is that the right question?
What are we lost from? Why are we lost? What causes us to be lost? How are we lost?
Seems to be the same question. So, what we lost from that requires used to be saved from.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191147
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Is it that we were created in God's image/character and we have lost that image/character?

Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191168
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Originally Posted by kland
Is it that we were created in God's image/character and we have lost that image/character?
HOW did we loose God's character? HOW are we saved from loosing a character? HOW is the character restored?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191190
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Would that be by substituting another image in His place, that of self? And we are restored by losing self, and allowing Christ and God to make their dwelling within us?

Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: APL] #191286
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Originally Posted by APL
You should quote the originial verse as it was written: John 12:32 And I, [CHRIST] if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all to me[ CHRIST].

The word "men" is supplied. Christ was a witness to men and to angels! She left off "men" multiple times such as DA are PP. Example: But the plan of redemption had a yet broader and deeper purpose than the salvation of man. It was not for this alone that Christ came to the earth; it was not merely that the inhabitants of this little world might regard the law of God as it should be regarded; but it was to vindicate the character of God before the universe. To this result of His great sacrifice--its influence upon the intelligences of other worlds, as well as upon man--the Saviour looked forward when just before His crucifixion He said: "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto Me." John 12:31-32. The act of Christ in dying for the salvation of man would not only make heaven accessible to men, but before all the universe it would justify God and His Son in their dealing with the rebellion of Satan. It would establish the perpetuity of the law of God and would reveal the nature and the results of sin. {PP 68.2}


That is not what Jesus meant at all.

His words were in the context of some Greeks who, having gone up to Jerusalem, wished to meet him. Jesus was making the point that he had to die first and that through his death, salvation would extend to the whole world, ALL OF HUMANITY ALONE. It was not that all would be saved but that all would be awe-struck and amazed by the image of him lifted up. Everyone's eyes were going to be turned towards Calvary through the spreading of the gospel by the disciples from generation to generation of HUMAN BEINGS.

By the way, the serpent that Moses made was to counteract the evil ones swarming the camp, not that it should have been let loose to swallow the evil, but that anyone having been bitten should be healed by looking in faith towards the one raised up by God.

Jesus became a man, symbolised by an animal (more usually a lamb or lion) but there he is depicted as the Archangel Michael in warfare against an angelic host turned demonic, angel against angel, serpent against serpent, in the other-wordly world illustrated by the contrast between the animal kingdom and us humans.

Re: Why did Jesus compare Himself to a snake?? [Re: Jeff Wickham] #191287
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It is written: 1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God has set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a theater to the world, and to angels, and to men.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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