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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived
[Re: kland]
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01/18/20 06:15 AM
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The "Principle of FIRST MENTION" says in Genesis 1, that a day is a day (24 hours), from evening to evening. I did not disagree with a day being a 24 hour period of time; I examined it because it does not fit Adam's judgment. So we conclude, always use "Principle of FIRST MENTION", unless it doesn't fit with what we're trying to construe. I believe that is the point I've been trying to get across. Christ said there are 12 DAYLIGHT hours in a day.
Not the first mention. Nothing to do with Adam's judgment. Another example other than yours: The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020. Are you saying that when the principle of First mention helps us to understand Bible prophecy, that it is wrong to use it? As I understand the principle of First Mention. When studying a topic see where it is first mentioned in the Bible and how successive Bible Writers add to its knowledge base. Time is first mentioned in Genesis. Ezekiel adds that literal time can be prophetic as a day can be a prophetic year. Then David and Peter reveal that a day is as 1000 years with God or a 1000 years can be a day. That in turn teaches that time can be viewed from either direction, i.e., if a day is a year, then a year can be a day (Daniel states as much when he states that the end of the years were ?the end of the days?) Likewise, to learn about judgment time: The first mention of judgment is in Genesis. Adam was judged for his disobedience. The verdict was that in the day he was to eat of the forbidden fruit, he was to die. He did die. The Bible says that Adam died at 930 years old. It was not talking of his spiritual death or some abstract idea about what happened to him within the 24 hour period in which he ate the fruit. It was talking about his literal death that followed his disobedience. Adam?s death was within the parameters of the day being a 1000 year period of time. Thus from the First Mention of time and Judgment in Genesis, we know that a Judgment Hour is based on a 1000 year day. We can also see that the Day of Atonement model explains the investigative judgment process. The Day of Atonement services were all preformed during the daylight hours. Jesus teaches that there are 12 daylight hours in a day. The math is simple: 1/12 of a 1000 year/day is 83 years 4 months. Judgment begins at the House of God according to Peter. When the Judgment Hour of the dead began, it had to begin at the dead church. First Mention in Revelation 3 reveals that a church was dead. Revelation 13 builds on that by saying that the papal church received a deadly wound. Then compare history to prophecy fulfilled. The church that was dead, was dead for 83 years 4 months. There was a tarrying time after the Judgment Hour of the dead ended, in which the Dead Church was revived by the Lateran Treaty. Then when the RCC was alive, the Judgment of the living church could begin on the day of atonement as it had done for the dead church. When the RCC was alive, the Day of Atonement came on 14 October 1929. The 83 year 4 month Judgment of the living was from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013, which aligns perfectly with the RCC. When the hour allotted for the one pope at a time papacy ended, it became a 2 pope papacy. First mention teaches that when Babylon fell to Cyrus the Great, it was a 2 king kingdom that fell while it was having an orgy. When Revelation reveals the final fall of Babylon, it is a two pope papacy that is embroiled in a priest fornication scandal. Pope Benedict resigned because of the sex scandal. Pope Francis has tried to clean up the mess. He has admitted that priests have had gay sex with minors, used nuns as sex slaves, and admitted that this lifestyle has permeated the papal hierarchy. Thus, from the principle of First Mention, we can understand time (days and hours), judgment, fornication, 2 kings in Babylon (2 popes in spiritual Babylon), and the fall of Babylon, etc. But if we learn an inconvenient truth that God has sealed until the endtime when He ordains that it should be revealed, are you not saying: explain it away, ignore it, fault the methodology, or fault the messenger, etc.?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived
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01/20/20 12:02 PM
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The "Principle of FIRST MENTION" says in Genesis 1, that a day is a day (24 hours), from evening to evening. I did not disagree with a day being a 24 hour period of time; I examined it because it does not fit Adam's judgment. So we conclude, always use "Principle of FIRST MENTION", unless it doesn't fit with what we're trying to construe. I believe that is the point I've been trying to get across. Christ said there are 12 DAYLIGHT hours in a day.
Not the first mention. Nothing to do with Adam's judgment. Another example other than yours: The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020. Are you saying that when the principle of First mention helps us to understand Bible prophecy, that it is wrong to use it? I'm saying it's wrong to use First mention when if fits with our opinions, and to conveniently cast it aside when it doesn't. The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020.
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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived
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01/20/20 12:36 PM
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I'm saying it's wrong to use First mention when if fits with our opinions, and to conveniently cast it aside when it doesn't.
The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020. Are you saying that it is wrong to use a screwdriver from our toolbox when we are trying to wind in a screw? Are you proposing that we use a hammier instead? (maybe it might work, but it also damages the inclining thread) How do you know which tool is the best tool for the job unless you know something about the tools? Or you study the problem and try different methodologies? The principle of first mention fits the problem: length of prophetic hour, correlation to Adam's judgment hour, and historical alignment times 2 for judgment of dead and living! In spite of the correlations noted above between first mention and these items, what do you have in your tool box that's fits better? Or are you suggesting that the hammer is the only tool in the toolbox and it works for everything? And if first mention doesn't fit any better than a hammer, wouldn't using it be like trying to unwind a bolt with a hammer? Ahh. you are setting a date in Aug 2020. What do suppose is happing then?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived
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01/22/20 01:23 PM
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Interesting analogy. Not sure it helps you.
--Pick and choose the tool to accomplish your purpose--
Isn't that what I've been objecting to, rather than using a tool intended and designed for the situation?
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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived
[Re: kland]
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01/23/20 02:03 PM
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Interesting analogy. Not sure it helps you.
--Pick and choose the tool to accomplish your purpose--
Isn't that what I've been objecting to, rather than using a tool intended and designed for the situation? When one studies to show themselves approved of God there are often those who find fault with the message, the messenger, the application, or something else. This counsel is insightful. We know that Brother Jones has been giving the message for this time--meat in due season for the starving flock of God. Those who do not allow prejudice to bar the heart against the heaven-sent message, cannot but feel the spirit and force of the truth. Brother Jones has borne the message from church to church and from State to State; and light and freedom and the outpouring of the Spirit of God have attended the word, as events of a most startling nature in the fulfilment of prophecy show that the great crisis is rapidly approaching. {15MR 298.3}
Brother Jones seeks to arouse the professed people of God from their death-like slumber, to see the importance of giving the warning to the world. But he advances some ideas with which not all agree, and instantly Brother Gage is aroused; he harnesses for the battle, and before the congregation in the tabernacle he takes his position in opposition to Brother Jones. Was this in the order of God? Did the Spirit of the Lord go from Brother Jones and inspire Brother Gage to do this work? Suppose that Brother Jones's statement concerning the formation of the image was premature; did the case demand such demonstrations? I answer No, no; not if God has ever spoken by me. {15MR 298.4} The Bible rules must be strictly followed. The matter concerning which a difference of opinion prevails should be calmly considered, with much prayer, with hearts yearning for unity, and with perfect love for one another's souls. Examine every point as if you could see the whole heavenly universe looking upon you. If there is a positive evidence that one of the brethren is in error, try to convince him from the Word of God. If success should not crown your efforts, even then the world has no business with this matter, for it would only dishonor the God of truth and Jesus Christ whom He hath sent. {15MR 299.1} I have received letters from different points telling the sad, discouraging results of these things. We have opposition enough from our foes, and we shall have conflicts fierce and strong; let us not now cause Satan to glory because of the pitched battles within our own ranks. The unity for which our Saviour prayed should be brought into our practical life. Peace, the peace of Christ, inspired by truth and sustained by righteousness, we must each cultivate.{15MR 299.2}
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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