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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
[Re: Rick H]
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02/01/20 02:06 PM
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@His_Child_Henry
You really should leave these children of the king alone. It is for your best interest that I say this in the name of Jesus. It would be better for a millstone to be tied around your neck and thrown into the deepest sea than for you to lead even ONE of His children to the grave with your evil teachings.
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
[Re: Rick H]
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02/01/20 02:09 PM
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This is a faithful witness. Please don't continue or pursue an argument here. I am warned that it would be disastrous for your future.
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
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02/02/20 09:09 AM
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What is amazing to me is that I saw the same thing happening here a few years ago, and the one person who stood for the truth against those who want to destroy the Testimonies was removed from this forum. Here it is years later and you are calling this man a false prophet just like the other person who was removed did yet it is ok for you to do it Brother Rick H? Hmm. A new member but you have been here before "a few years ago" You have visions and you use initials JPT. Which I assume is not short for "Jesuit Priest Theologian" You are not using a logo of a modest bride with a "low cut" dress You say Rick H is doing something that he should not be doing and you warn me that heaven is sizing me up for a millstone collar. In the endtime are accusers of the brethren to arise? Does that happen before the Mark of the beast or after? Is it really important to understand the sequence of endtime events? I take the position that God warns us of things so that we can prepare and avoid deception. Being deceived by the beast to take its mark translates into being lost.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
[Re: Rick H]
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02/09/20 05:24 PM
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Today's study has been fascinating. I will restrain myself that I do not liberally share my pearls that are not wanted. But this is truly fascinating! Most people read Michael standing for his people in Daniel 12:1 as Christ standing for His saints. Matthew Henry taught it: ?Michael is simply another of the many names for Jesus Himself? ( https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/85/t/who-is-michael-the-archangel-#AN-AMAZING-FACT). That is true, but it is not the whole truth. But why did Ellen White also teach it if it is not the whole truth? Perhaps someone will see the big picture when they read the SoP quotes that follow: Yet while it was not given to the prophets to understand fully the things revealed to them, they earnestly sought to obtain all the light which God had been pleased to make manifest (GC 344.3). The Lord has shown me in vision, that Jesus rose up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7th month 1844; but Michael's standing up (Daniel 12:1) to deliver his people, is in the future (WLF 12.4). Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1). ?The commencement of that time of trouble,? here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the ?latter rain,? or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
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02/10/20 12:11 AM
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@His_Child_Henry
You really should leave these children of the king alone. It is for your best interest that I say this in the name of Jesus. It would be better for a millstone to be tied around your neck and thrown into the deepest sea than for you to lead even ONE of His children to the grave with your evil teachings. On this, JPT and I stand in agreement. His Child, please keep your so-called "pearls" to yourself if they must call to question whether or not Ellen White taught the whole truth. Today's study has been fascinating. I will restrain myself that I do not liberally share my pearls that are not wanted. But this is truly fascinating! Most people read Michael standing for his people in Daniel 12:1 as Christ standing for His saints. Matthew Henry taught it: ?Michael is simply another of the many names for Jesus Himself? ( https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/85/t/who-is-michael-the-archangel-#AN-AMAZING-FACT). That is true, but it is not the whole truth. But why did Ellen White also teach it if it is not the whole truth? Perhaps someone will see the big picture when they read the SoP quotes that follow: Yet while it was not given to the prophets to understand fully the things revealed to them, they earnestly sought to obtain all the light which God had been pleased to make manifest (GC 344.3). The Lord has shown me in vision, that Jesus rose up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7th month 1844; but Michael's standing up (Daniel 12:1) to deliver his people, is in the future (WLF 12.4). Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1). ?The commencement of that time of trouble,? here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the ?latter rain,? or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3). The usage of "stand" does not mean to say literally stand up. It is figurative. In this sense, while standing for one purpose, one can stand again for another. Michael is Jesus. Period. It seems you would like to reinterpret these things, but I advise that you read 2 Peter chapter 3 very carefully, especially the portion(s) where Peter speaks of scripture. Whether or not you meant to imply that Ellen White did not understand or teach the full truth, that is how your words have come across. Watch your words! What you post seems to always look for something new, exciting, and different from the time-tested interpretations of truth accepted by God's people until now. Such a fascination with novelty is simply fanaticism. Try a little introspection: Can you answer the following questions with the blessed assurance of knowing whereupon you have believed? 1) How are sinners saved? 2) What is the relationship between faith and works? 3) What is righteousness by faith? 4) What do the "fruits" represent in Jesus' statement that "by their fruits ye shall know them"? 5) What are the tests of a true prophet? 6) What are the fruits of a false prophet? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
[Re: Rick H]
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02/10/20 05:30 AM
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Green What blessing did you expect me to received from your quoting the unkind words from the banned JPT? most of your post was off topic so if I may, I'll return to topic... Ellen White was knowledgeable, but did she understand everything that she saw in vision? In the endtime what is meant by knowledge will increase? Ellen clearly states that Michael stands and the Time of trouble begins And Ellen clearly states that Michael stands and the 7 last plagues begin. She uses the Same word "stands" in reference to Michael and two different events. So where is the clarification found in Scripture or the Spirit of Prophecy that explains that Jesus stands twice after 1844? Please Consider Daniel and the SoP comments: The light that Daniel received direct from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel?are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon have come to pass (4BC 1166.5). I was by the side of the great river, which [is] Hiddekel?Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me (Daniel 10:4, 13). In the endtime, is there more than one chief Prince named Michael? Christian regards His child henry
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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