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Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192004
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If man had kept the law of God, as given to Adam after his fall, preserved by Noah, and observed by Abraham, there would have been no necessity for the ordinance of circumcision. And if the descendants of Abraham had kept the covenant, of which circumcision was a sign, they would never have been seduced into idolatry, nor would it have been necessary for them to suffer a life of bondage in Egypt; they would have kept God's law in mind, and there would have been no necessity for it to be proclaimed from Sinai or engraved upon the tables of stone. And had the people practiced the principles of the Ten Commandments, there would have been no need of the additional directions given to Moses. {PP 364.2}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192006
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The truth of the matter is this --
The human race FELL --
They are lost and no amount of commandment keeping and sinners trying to lift themselves up out of sin would have achieved anything.

Why even at Sinai when they had just HEARD the law spoken in awful grandeur, they completely messed up.

The human race NEEDS a Savior.

The sanctuary is a lesson about our Savior, and God's ways are shown in the sanctuary.

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192014
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Dedication, are you saying that God expected too much of humans even after they fell? That he waited until Abraham to give circumcision, "just because"? And waited to give them the sanctuary?
While there was the plan of a savior, was there always the plan of circumcision and the sanctuary services?

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192026
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Are you saying the sanctuary should be done away with -- it has no meaning for us today???????????

Are you opposed to the study of the sanctuary? Why would the posts above even be made following my post . I don't see any connection.

No, I am NOT saying God was expecting too much --
The truth is that mankind THINKS they can pull themselves up and do it themselves.
The law cannot save. It has no power or grace to save anyone. No sinner can save themselves, not even the most disciplined and most determined. And we are all sinners, in need of grace.

Mankind needs a Savior, and praise God -- we have a wonderful Savior!

God has made every provision for our salvation!!!
All heaven was poured out to save us.
It's the most wonderful study -- God loves us, He wants us to be saved!!!!
But if His provisions are cast aside -- then of course salvation is impossible without our Savior.

And as soon as sin entered back there in Genesis -- the Savior was promised. The symbolic lamb pointed to the cross.

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192027
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The sanctuary is to help us understand more about our wonderful Savior.

Originally Posted by dedication
Sanctuary -- furniture -- what do they signify?
Many studies can be done on this.

I found this perspective very meaningful (given in Lesson 4)

The Sanctuary illustrates Christ's condescension from the highest heaven to the lowest terrible point He met to save us.

6. (Ark) The throne of heaven (Christ left the throne of heaven to dwell with humanity)

5. (Candlestick) He is the light (John 1:4-5; 3:19 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness;... light is come into the world,

4. (Incense) Jesus lived a life of prayer. He prays for US!!! Like he prayed for Peter, in Luke 22:32

3. (Table of shewbread) (John 6:35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger.. 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:

2. (The laver) The laver stood between the holy sanctuary and the altar of sacrifice. Before the priests entered the sanctuary they washed -- a reminder that cleansing is necessary before entering the holy places. For Christ in His condescension for our redemption the movement was REVERSED.
He Who was absolutely holy, became sin (took our sin). Gethsemane was Christ's baptism in the laver, His holiness absorbing all humanities sin -- being covered by our UNHOLINESS -- a thing so terrible He almost died right there in Gethsemane.

1. (The alter) The cross. Jesus, the Lamb of God, gave Himself a sacrifice, dying our death. That we might live.


Thus Christ came down to the lowest level -- death, our death, upon the cross. And that's where we must start.


1. (The alter) At the cross of Christ.

Romans 6:6-8 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
(vs 11) Consider (account, reckon) yourself dead to sin.


Why?
Because Christ took your sins, and died the death you deserve, so you can account yourself, consider yourself free from sin!!!!

Romans 5:9-10 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification and reconciliation to God, is found at the cross --
Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe. Could my tears forever flow, could I doggedly fulfill every law -- NONE of that could EVER atone for a single sin, let alone for the MANY sins of my life. Jesus paid it all.

Isaiah 53:5-6 He was wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

As we, by faith, stand at the cross, our sins are rolled away and we can reckon (consider) ourselves freed !

2) The laver
The laver is for cleansing. Cleansing by the Word is for the sinner who has come to the cross and who desires to serve and walk in the light of Christ's righteousness -- to walk and talk with Him. To follow the Lamb where ever He leads.

3) The Table of Shewbread -- Jesus the living Bread of Life which came down from heaven.
Daily we communion with Him. "eating" partaking of the Word and learning more and more of Him.

4) The Altar of Incense -- prayer! Even our prayers need the grace of God, rising with the merits of Christ. And the Holy Spirit takes our prayers for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Yet our prayers are like a key opening the storehouse of heaven, for all heaven is desirous for our salvation!

5) Candle stick -- the light of Christ. If we walk with Him -- in the light -- we will reflect the light. Reflect His character to the glory of God.

6) Ark -- the judgement.
We have nothing to fear, if we have walked with Christ in the light, through the sanctuary experience.

John 3:19-21 This is the judgement, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doe evil hates the light, and refuses to come to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Come to the light as it is revealed through the sanctuary, that light is Christ, it is eternal life!
And yes, those who come to the light will DO true deeds that are wrought in God -- not in self, but because they are walking with Christ our Saviour.

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Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192028
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From Patriarchs and Prophets chapter four "The Plan of Redemption"

"The plan by which alone man's salvation could be secured, involved all heaven in its infinite sacrifice....
the Son of God would leave His high position as the Majesty of heaven, appear upon earth and humble Himself as a man, and by His own experience become acquainted with the sorrows and temptations which man would have to endure. ....He must die the cruelest of deaths, lifted up between the heavens and the earth as a guilty sinner. ... He must endure anguish of soul, the hiding of His Father's face, while the guilt of transgression--the weight of the sins of the whole world--should be upon Him." {PP 64}

The first intimidation of redemption was given to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15

"Heavenly angels more fully opened to our first parents the plan that had been devised for their salvation. Adam and his companion were assured that notwithstanding their great sin, they were not to be abandoned to the control of Satan. The Son of God had offered to atone, with His own life, for their transgression.....

"Thus were revealed to Adam important events in the history of mankind, from the time when the divine sentence was pronounced in Eden, to the Flood, and onward to the first advent of the Son of God. He was shown that while the sacrifice of Christ would be of sufficient value to save the whole world, many would choose a life of sin rather than of repentance and obedience.

"The sacrificial offerings were ordained by God to be to man a perpetual reminder and a penitential acknowledgment of his sin and a confession of his faith in the promised Redeemer....

"To Adam, the offering of the first sacrifice was a most painful ceremony. His hand must be raised to take life, which only God could give. It was the first time he had ever witnessed death, and he knew that had he been obedient to God, there would have been no death of man or beast. As he slew the innocent victim, he trembled at the thought that his sin must shed the blood of the spotless Lamb of God. This scene gave him a deeper and more vivid sense of the greatness of his transgression, which nothing but the death of God's dear Son could expiate. PP 68



So you see -- the plan was given to mankind as soon as sin entered.
The sacrificial system was in place immediately -- we see Adam. Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, Jacob -- all participated in the sacrificial system. The Patriarch of the family unit usually preforming the work "priest".
But people forget. Time goes on, the truth the angels shared with Adam, dimmed and even got lost.
They needed reminders, they needed it spelled out, as word of mouth was not reliable.. The sanctuary was a detailed reminder.

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: APL] #192032
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Originally Posted by dedication
Are you saying the sanctuary should be done away with -- it has no meaning for us today???????????

If man had kept the law of God, as given to Adam after his fall, preserved by Noah, and observed by Abraham, there would have been no necessity for the ordinance of circumcision. And if the descendants of Abraham had kept the covenant, of which circumcision was a sign, they would never have been seduced into idolatry, nor would it have been necessary for them to suffer a life of bondage in Egypt; they would have kept God's law in mind, and there would have been no necessity for it to be proclaimed from Sinai or engraved upon the tables of stone. And had the people practiced the principles of the Ten Commandments, there would have been no need of the additional directions given to Moses. {PP 364.2}
If man had kept the law of God... would there be any need for us to study the sanctuary, at least for having the literal example of the sanctuary?

Re: The Lost Sanctuary Bible Study Guide [Re: Daryl] #192059
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To Adam and Eve angel's more fully revealed the plan of salvation. "the Son of God would leave His high position as the Majesty of heaven...die the cruelest of deaths, lifted up between the heavens and the earth as a guilty sinner...He must endure anguish of soul, the hiding of His Father's face, while the guilt of transgression--the weight of the sins of the whole world--should be upon Him." {PP 64}
To Adam, the offering of the first sacrifice was a most painful ceremony. His hand must be raised to take life, which only God could give. It was the first time he had ever witnessed death, and he knew that had he been obedient to God, there would have been no death of man or beast. As he slew the innocent victim, he trembled at the thought that his sin must shed the blood of the spotless Lamb of God. This scene gave him a deeper and more vivid sense of the greatness of his transgression, which nothing but the death of God's dear Son could expiate. PP 68


Yes, had Adam and Eve AND ALL their descendants continued with this "vivid sense of the greatness of transgression" and kept their focus on the Son of God Who alone could expiate their sin and reconcile them to God, history would have been different. IF the human race had been like Enoch -- walking and talking with God it would have been very different.

BUT the human race largely forgot God. SO YES we NEED to study the sanctuary, for the literal example is a pattern for truths unseen and unrecognized without it.

Before the flood EVIL pretty much took over, and though the earth was cleansed by a flood, and Noah had knowledge of the plan of salvation, it wasn't long after that the human race again turned to IDOLATRY with it's fertility rites and sexual veneration. So God gave His people circumcision. Had they grasped the meaning, that it was a mark of separation from the idolatrous practices, signifying their commitment to follow God, they would NEVER have been seduced into idolatry. But they didn't grasp it's meaning and participated in the practices of idolatry with all it's fertility excitement.

The beautiful truths revealed to Adam and passed on to those of his descendants that were receptive, were almost completely lost?

The sanctuary was not a "new salvation plan" it was instituted to be a VISUAL of Christ's work of redemption. To keep in people's minds the very truths first revealed to Adam outside the garden gate.
But human beings (and we are no exception) again lost the meaning. They separated the services from the ONE to Whom those services pointed.

Yet they all pointed to CHRIST and His work of salvation.

When Christ died upon the cross, the earthly sanctuary ceased, BUT now people tend to FORGET in the opposite side of things. We can't really understand the cross and Christ's priestly ministry until we understand the sanctuary which pointed to these events.

Even the meaning of the cross is not understood outside of the sanctuary. The cleansing blood is explained in the sanctuary. Without the sanctuary people really don't see Christ's death as meaning any more than simply someone dying because there is sin in the world.

Also, the glorious work of Christ, our high Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, isn't understood when the earthly illustrations are removed and counted as irrelevant.

These things were given to us as examples for our learning and understanding.
Though we no longer practice the sacrificial system, for Christ is the Lamb of God slain for us, and is alive as our High Priest, yet the examples, the teaching object lessons, STILL are necessary to UNDERSTAND His work in the plan for our salvation.

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