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Vaccine Credibility #192067
03/16/20 02:02 PM
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I came across this article on the shingles vaccine which I was impressed that there was a scientific study actually done to determine that vaccines prevent disease. It kind of prevented it. It was a large sample size, with a control, and the results showed benefit. Out of 38K divided up, it showed of those who got vaccinated, 315 got shingles while those with the placebo, 642 got shingles.

I'm at a loss as to why the vaccinated had any benefit, although small of the total population. The only thing I could find to question in the study was at the bottom in the disclosures:

"The vaccine and placebo used for the study were supplied by Merck; "

Okayyyy. Why would researchers use a control made by the company which produced the treatment?
I am not able to understand how or why that would affect the results, but why would they even consider that? In this day and age of not appearing to have a conflict of interest, is this not a conflict of interest? Like the fox setting up the cameras to watch the henhouse. Maybe no ill wrong, but still, it looks really bad to me.

A Vaccine to Prevent Herpes Zoster and Postherpetic Neuralgia in Older Adults

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192087
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We are told it takes a year to get a vaccine out. Suddenly, the coronovirus can be "fast tracked".
So is what is the norm not true? Or the result not true?
Or neither.

Is there any science involved? How can the scientific method possibly be applied?

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192101
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Herd Immunity.

Fascinating concept. Too bad science doesn't support it.
In fact, it supports the opposite.

Any time you approach 80-90% effective treatment, selection pressure favors resistant strains.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192121
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There have been comparisons of the Coronavirus to the Spanish flu. When looking at the Spanish flu, it came in two waves. The last wave was more severe, rose to a peak, and then suddenly diminished. There was no vaccine at the time. Now, suppose they had released a vaccine right at the peak. They could claim the vaccine saved the world.
They had good timing with polio.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192132
03/25/20 12:57 PM
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They'll probably be forcing some minimal tested vaccinations on the world in the very near future. Billions of dollars are being spent to create new vaccines and Gates is really pushing it and promising to give huge amounts of money.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192142
03/27/20 11:25 AM
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I was afraid Gates would be involved. Not surprising.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192144
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Gates and vaccines are a scary combination for sure!
Ever hear of 2020 ID -- a proposed identification "chip" given through vaccinations.?
Just search -- Gates 2020 ID.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192167
03/30/20 11:18 AM
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"I know its a leap but the idea that no one will be allowed out of lockdown without a ID chip confirming vaccination terrifies the [] out of me. "

Hadn't thought of that....

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192168
03/30/20 11:49 AM
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Wow, the current situation is a test for refinement.

Re: Vaccine Credibility [Re: kland] #192242
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Immune building or vaccination
There is a dark side to all of this.

People need sunshine, fresh air, wholesome food and even dirt to build a healthy immune system.
Lock down wants people away from the sun, and fresh air, locked in their stuffy homes and bombarding their bodies with disinfectants and soap, and hooked up to electronic devises that bombard them with electro magnetic waves..

Everyone getting sick? One size fits all? Vaccination will keep you healthy? Everyone needs vaccinations?
No --

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