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Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! #192205
04/04/20 12:48 AM
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"Panama announces gender-based virus curfew
The government in Panama has decreed men and women can only leave their homes on alternate days in a bid to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Friederike Heine and Andrea Sosa Cabrios
Deutsche Presse AgenturAPRIL 2, 20205:18AM
Men and women in Panama will only be allowed to leave their homes on alternate days, according to a new anti-coronavirus measure imposed by the government.
The decision allows women to leave the house on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and men to do so on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
The new measure, under which both men and women must stay indoors on Sundays, "seeks to reduce circulation by half," the Health Ministry said."

https://www.news.com.au/world/break...s-story/32eec6d37050a3f69a1a6afef4333b0a


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192206
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
"Panama announces gender-based virus curfew
The government in Panama has decreed men and women can only leave their homes on alternate days in a bid to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Friederike Heine and Andrea Sosa Cabrios
Deutsche Presse AgenturAPRIL 2, 20205:18AM
Men and women in Panama will only be allowed to leave their homes on alternate days, according to a new anti-coronavirus measure imposed by the government.
The decision allows women to leave the house on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and men to do so on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
The new measure, under which both men and women must stay indoors on Sundays, "seeks to reduce circulation by half," the Health Ministry said."

https://www.news.com.au/world/break...s-story/32eec6d37050a3f69a1a6afef4333b0a


That is what is meant that they receive it in the hand with no religious belief (they receive the mark not knowing), while those who receive it in the forehead is a religious belief.

Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: Rick H] #192209
04/04/20 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick H
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
"Panama announces gender-based virus curfew
The government in Panama has decreed men and women can only leave their homes on alternate days in a bid to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Friederike Heine and Andrea Sosa Cabrios
Deutsche Presse AgenturAPRIL 2, 20205:18AM
Men and women in Panama will only be allowed to leave their homes on alternate days, according to a new anti-coronavirus measure imposed by the government.
The decision allows women to leave the house on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and men to do so on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
The new measure, under which both men and women must stay indoors on Sundays, "seeks to reduce circulation by half," the Health Ministry said."

https://www.news.com.au/world/break...s-story/32eec6d37050a3f69a1a6afef4333b0a


That is what is meant that they receive it in the hand with no religious belief (they receive the mark not knowing), while those who receive it in the forehead is a religious belief.


Exactly! Global events are devolving at a dizzying pace.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: Rick H] #192235
04/06/20 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick H

That is what is meant that they receive it in the hand with no religious belief (they receive the mark not knowing), while those who receive it in the forehead is a religious belief.

I don't see how on earth this could be considered "mark of the beast" like this. That is something that the Bible is pretty clear about what has to take place first and this law in Panama comes nowhere close to it. While "Sunday" will, at one point, be the mark, it is not so now. No one can receive the mark by having it "forced" upon them A person has to choose it. Or a person can alternatively choose the seal of God. The reason the Bible says people "RECEIVE" the mark is to tell us this. When you "receive" something, its not forced upon you. You have to take it knowingly and willingly. Its not "breaking God's law" to obey civil authorities when they ask us to do something like this on Sundays. The reason would probably be that since, in that country, most couples would be going to church every Sunday; then the danger of spreading any diseases making the rounds would be that much greater. Its a simply practical law, nothing to do yet, with "mark of the beast."


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
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Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


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Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192237
04/07/20 01:04 AM
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The "Mark" will be enforced.

"When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God." GC 449

Rev. 3:16 And he will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that has the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

We may not be wise to wait for "something" to happen first --


A little closer to home -- at least for Canadians.

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Quebec Premier Francois Legault on Monday [March 30] ordered most of the stores still allowed to operate to close on Sundays....Legault said he didn?t think closing big grocery stores for one day a week would put a strain on them ,,,It will be an opportunity for our workers to get some rest,? Legault said. The only stores that can remain open seven days a week are convenience stores, pharmacies, gas stations and restaurant take-out counters.

Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: dedication] #192258
04/09/20 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dedication
The "Mark" will be enforced.

"When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God." GC 449

Rev. 3:16 And he will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that has the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

We may not be wise to wait for "something" to happen first --


A little closer to home -- at least for Canadians.

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Quebec Premier Francois Legault on Monday [March 30] ordered most of the stores still allowed to operate to close on Sundays....Legault said he didn?t think closing big grocery stores for one day a week would put a strain on them ,,,It will be an opportunity for our workers to get some rest,? Legault said. The only stores that can remain open seven days a week are convenience stores, pharmacies, gas stations and restaurant take-out counters.




The Sunday movement is being rapidly reinforced by the passage of laws. The lamb like beast is beginning to speak like a dragon and his voice is being echoed around the world! God?s people, hold on to your Lord!


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: dedication] #192279
04/12/20 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication
The "Mark" will be enforced.

"When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath,"

This has not happened anywhere yet.

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A little closer to home -- at least for Canadians.

[quote]Quebec Premier Francois Legault on Monday [March 30] ordered most of the stores still allowed to operate to close on Sundays....Legault said he didn?t think closing big grocery stores for one day a week would put a strain on them ,,,It will be an opportunity for our workers to get some rest,? Legault said. The only stores that can remain open seven days a week are convenience stores, pharmacies, gas stations and restaurant take-out counters.


This is not really what happened, it is only part of the story:

DIVISION II
HOURS AND DAYS OF ADMISSION
2. Subject to sections 3 to 14.1, the public may be admitted to a commercial establishment only between the hours of
(1) 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays, and 8:00 a.m. and 9:00 p.m. on the other days of the week;
(2) 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. on 24 and 31 December;
(3) 1:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. on 26 December where it falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, and 1:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. where it falls on another day of the week.
SOURCE It would appear that this legislation in Quebec is about BOTH Saturday and Sunday; and that its not really "Sunday law" fodder.

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Jacob's company, unarmed and defenseless, seemed about to fall helpless victims of violence and slaughter. And to the burden of anxiety and fear was added the crushing weight of self-reproach, for it was his own sin that had brought this danger. His only hope was in the mercy of God; his only defense must be prayer. Yet he leaves nothing undone on his own part to atone for the wrong to his brother and to avert the threatened danger. So should the followers of Christ, as they approach the time of trouble, make every exertion to place themselves in a proper light before the people, to disarm prejudice, and to avert the danger which threatens liberty of conscience. {GC 616.2}

The thing to keep in mind is that prophecy, when speaking to the looming spectre of "Sunday Laws" actually refers to decrees by civil authorities to force people to physically observe the first day of the week:

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"Wonderful events are soon to open before the world. The end of all things is at hand. The time of trouble is about to come upon the people of God. Then it is that the decree will go forth forbidding those who keep the Sabbath of the Lord to buy or sell, and threatening them with punishment, and even death, if they do not observe the first day of the week as the Sabbathh. {HP 344.3}

So this is not about the more petty laws, which have been on the books for many years, sometimes called Sunday Blue Laws. This is/will be about much more than "Sunday closing laws." Further, we are warned about making up a time of trouble prematurely:

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The Lord does not move upon His workers to make them take a course which will bring on the time of trouble before the time. Let them not build up a wall of separation between themselves and the world, by advancing their own ideas and notions. There is now altogether too much of this throughout our borders. The message of warning has not reached large numbers of the world in the very cities that are right at hand, and to number Israel is not to work after God's order. {TM 202.1}


It would be far more fruitful for us who are supposed to be God's people, to talk more about Jesus than we do the mark of the beast.

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"Behold The Lamb of God which takes away the sin...." (John 1:29)


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192281
04/14/20 02:35 AM
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Should we to be saying "it's not happening" right up until the final law is passed?
Or is this a very loud wake up call that we are standing on the edge -- on the very brink?
(True, the world hasn't plunged into the last crises yet, but it is teetering on the very edge of doing so, while huge forces are working to push it over) Pray we will have a little longer -- but without Divine intervention the world will slide over the edge.
Can't you see how things are shaping up in amazing leaps?




Are you saying the following report was false???
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A little closer to home -- at least for Canadians.

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Quebec Premier Francois Legault on Monday [March 30] ordered most of the stores still allowed to operate to close on Sundays....Legault said he didn;t think closing big grocery stores for one day a week would put a strain on them ,,,It will be an opportunity for our workers to get some rest,? Legault said. The only stores that can remain open seven days a week are convenience stores, pharmacies, gas stations and restaurant take-out counters.

In Quebec (and other provinces) a lot of stores were closed totally due to the pandemic, but March 30, the Primier of Quebec announced those stores that were allowed to remain open could NOT be open on Sundays anymore? Except for Pharmacies, and a couple others, all stores, including grocery stores must close on Sundays.

In your rebuttal you quoted a much earlier legislation dealing with normal store hours -- as it stood February 1, 2020.

The above quotes from Quebec's premier, that stores must close SUNDAYS, took place March 31, 2020.
He said they must close for all of April -- but let's see if the restriction is lifted after April.

Things are changing RAPIDLY as more and more "laws" are passed.




Back in the late 1880's the Adventist church took a far different stand against Sunday closure laws.
They didn't just sit back and say "Oh, well, blue laws have always existed, so what's the big deal", no, they opposed the closure laws!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWxp3USJwc

Remember as well -- the blue laws were there BEFORE the constitution. Do a little research on how much "religious liberty" some of those early colonies had when the blue laws were in full force. Slowly those blue laws, even though they didn't disappear, began to lose their power after the American revolution-- but now people are suggesting they should be brought back into force.






Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: The Wanderer] #192282
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Originally Posted by The Wanderer


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The Lord does not move upon His workers to make them take a course which will bring on the time of trouble before the time. Let them not build up a wall of separation between themselves and the world, by advancing their own ideas and notions. There is now altogether too much of this throughout our borders. The message of warning has not reached large numbers of the world in the very cities that are right at hand, and to number Israel is not to work after God's order. {TM 202.1}


It would be far more fruitful for us who are supposed to be God's people, to talk more about Jesus than we do the mark of the beast.

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"Behold The Lamb of God which takes away the sin...." (John 1:29)



It is obvious, we are in the time when those in other churches are to be called out. Is it not the "message of warning" that must be delivered, now? People in other churches have little need to be told to "Behold The Lamb of God". They need to hear what they have not heard before, the three angels messages, especially the third and final one!

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Revelation 14:9-12


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192304
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Disasters being seen as a sign to return to the faith (Catholic) in Europe! Does this sound familiar?
https://youtu.be/QfupLAI_DCo


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192307
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A quote from "If History Rhymes" April 1, 2020
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At least one societal change resulting from the quarantine could do wonders to reinvigorate our national sense of family, faith, and community. Let?s give serious thought to reinstating at least some of the time-honored Sunday closure laws, sort of a one-day-per-week modified stay-at-home request. Such action would rededicate our society to a regular day of rest, family meals, civic associations, and religious observance.

By rededicating each Sunday as ?a common day of rest,? we would say that the life of America is much more than never-pausing commerce and ever-grinding bureaucracy. We would proclaim that the heart of the nation transcends consumerism and looms larger than even the biggest government. We would emphasize that the real value in a country comes not from its GNP or tax collections, but from families, faith, communities, that it comes from ?We the people.?

Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: dedication] #192309
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It never ceases to amaze me, how convincingly evil wears the cloak of goodness and reason. It is small wonder that the majority will be deceived. May God, who is able to keep us from falling, open our eyes and increase our faith.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192318
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Yes, let's remember how well blessed we were in this time, and set aside sunday each week.

To remember:
- lost jobs,
- tanked economy,
- can't meet together,
- no toilet paper!

Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192324
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Yes, the double talk is truly amazing.

It's fascinating to see how many tweets and messages are floating around on the internet saying how good this "lock down" is for families and re-establishing family time --
O.K -- some are finding some truth to this.

BUT for many people this time is like a great series of walls being built to isolate them from all people.
What about those that don't have family members living in the same household, and find themselves isolated and alone?
What about those who do have family but don't get along -- one social representative reported a 300% increase in calls for help in regard to domestic violence since these isolation laws have come!
And it is a proven fact that financial problems most often cause family problems as well.

Anyone who thinks government should enforce family time and isolating laws and worship laws, and other laws infringing on basic human right, freedoms, has lost all appreciation for the great freedoms our forefathers fought to establish..

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Jamaica is the latest country to use Wuhan Flu as justification to call for a Sunday Law (and a cashless economy)! Fun fact: the Jamaican PM is a Seventh Day Adventist...
https://youtu.be/DhghpqChENI


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192329
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How do you really know that the PM of Jamaica is a SDA???

Have you done some sort of a fact check to see if that is really true???


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Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192331
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
Jamaica is the latest country to use Wuhan Flu as justification to call for a Sunday Law (and a cashless economy)! Fun fact: the Jamaican PM is a Seventh Day Adventist...
https://youtu.be/DhghpqChENI

The crack pots that put out these videos have no idea what they are talking about; they certainly DO NOT speak for The Adventist Church.

The Jamaican Conference has this to say:

Flexible Work Arrangements

(Prepared and published by the Public Affairs and Religious Liberty Department of Jamaica Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. 125 Manchester Road. P.O. Box 122, Mandeville, Jamaica)

from pg 2
The normal work week should consist of 40 hours and all seven days of the week would be possible working days.

IMPORTANT POINTS TO NOTE

1. In general, the Bill, when passed, will mean that Sunday will no longer have any special status in law, but
will become a normal workday.
2. Companies will not be forced to implement FWAs?they are not obligated to enact it.
3. This is not a NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. In fact it is quite the opposite in that there is no longer any law
that hinders commercial activities on Sundays ie., the sacredness that once shrouded Sunday has been
removed.
4. The Adventist Church is not opposed to Flexible Work Arrangements. In fact, many of our members have
had to adopt. This form of flexibility already?.working extra hours and on Sundays?in order to get their
Sabbaths off for worship.
5. The Adventist Church does not believe any day should be legislated and set aside for worship because
this would not constitute Religious Liberty and is a breach of Section 17 of the Constitution which states
that ?every person shall have the right to freedom of religion including the freedom to change his religion
and the right to manifest and propagate his religion in worship, teaching, practice and observance.?

5/ What are the legal working hours for employees in Jamaica?
https://epicjamaica.net/legal-working-hours-for-employees-in-jamaica/

The Employment (Flexible Work Arrangements) (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act was signed into law on November 24, 2014.

Prior to the passing of this act, Jamaican workers were entitled to work 8 hour shifts (10 hours in some cases). Under the new law, the ordinary work week should consist of 40 hours, and employees and their employers can agree to work up to 12 hours in a 24-hour period.

Another big change under the law is the removal of the special treatment given to Sundays. Formerly, most employers paid a double rate if the employee was required to work on a Sunday. The new law allows that ordinary work week can now include Sundays without any overtime pay requirement. All 7 days of the week are now considered working days.

We are warned in so many places to stay away from these crack-pot prophecy mongers. "Many false prophets" is what scripture calls them.


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
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Originally Posted by Daryl
How do you really know that the PM of Jamaica is a SDA???

Have you done some sort of a fact check to see if that is really true???



"New Prime Minister of Jamaica is an Adventist ? Andrew Holness"

"Adventists currently hold both of the top leadership positions in Jamaica. The Governor General, Sir Patrick Allen, is also an Adventist and a graduate of Andrews University. He was the union conference president in Jamaica, the national leader of the Adventist denomination, when he was appointed by Queen Elizabeth II. He resigned from denominational employment to take office but continues to be an Adventist minister."

https://atoday.org/new-prime-minister-of-jamaica-is-an-adventist-andrew-holness/

"ADVENTIST BECOMES PRIME MINISTER OF JAMAICA".

"In a ceremony at King?s House on Sunday afternoon, the new prime minister did not swear on the bible as is the custom because of his faith. Rather, as is allowed under the constitution, Holness ?declared and affirmed? due allegiance to Jamaica and his intention to carry out his duties as Prime Minister of Jamaica.

Seventh-day Adventists currently hold both of the top positions in Jamaican government. The Governor General, Sir Patrick Allen, Ph.D., is also an Adventist and a graduate of Andrews University. "

https://spectrummagazine.org/articl...adventist-becomes-prime-minister-jamaica



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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Originally Posted by The Wanderer
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
Jamaica is the latest country to use Wuhan Flu as justification to call for a Sunday Law (and a cashless economy)! Fun fact: the Jamaican PM is a Seventh Day Adventist...
https://youtu.be/DhghpqChENI

The crack pots that put out these videos have no idea what they are talking about; they certainly DO NOT speak for The Adventist Church.

The Jamaican Conference has this to say:

Flexible Work Arrangements

(Prepared and published by the Public Affairs and Religious Liberty Department of Jamaica Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. 125 Manchester Road. P.O. Box 122, Mandeville, Jamaica)

from pg 2
The normal work week should consist of 40 hours and all seven days of the week would be possible working days.

IMPORTANT POINTS TO NOTE

1. In general, the Bill, when passed, will mean that Sunday will no longer have any special status in law, but
will become a normal workday.
2. Companies will not be forced to implement FWAs?they are not obligated to enact it.
3. This is not a NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW. In fact it is quite the opposite in that there is no longer any law
that hinders commercial activities on Sundays ie., the sacredness that once shrouded Sunday has been
removed.
4. The Adventist Church is not opposed to Flexible Work Arrangements. In fact, many of our members have
had to adopt. This form of flexibility already?.working extra hours and on Sundays?in order to get their
Sabbaths off for worship.
5. The Adventist Church does not believe any day should be legislated and set aside for worship because
this would not constitute Religious Liberty and is a breach of Section 17 of the Constitution which states
that ?every person shall have the right to freedom of religion including the freedom to change his religion
and the right to manifest and propagate his religion in worship, teaching, practice and observance.?

5/ What are the legal working hours for employees in Jamaica?
https://epicjamaica.net/legal-working-hours-for-employees-in-jamaica/

The Employment (Flexible Work Arrangements) (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act was signed into law on November 24, 2014.

Prior to the passing of this act, Jamaican workers were entitled to work 8 hour shifts (10 hours in some cases). Under the new law, the ordinary work week should consist of 40 hours, and employees and their employers can agree to work up to 12 hours in a 24-hour period.

Another big change under the law is the removal of the special treatment given to Sundays. Formerly, most employers paid a double rate if the employee was required to work on a Sunday. The new law allows that ordinary work week can now include Sundays without any overtime pay requirement. All 7 days of the week are now considered working days.

We are warned in so many places to stay away from these crack-pot prophecy mongers. "Many false prophets" is what scripture calls them.




I am confident that you did not watch the video that I posted. If you had, you would have seen that it contained a video of Prime Minister Andrew Holness outlining his plan for the removal of weekday lockdown restrictions in favour of a one day a week lockdown on every Sunday!
It is also interesting to note that Prime Minister Andrew Holness video address was given in April 2020! I notice that your posted link rebuttal is dated November 2014, almost six years ago. You really should do more research, before calling men of God "crackpots"...


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192344
04/25/20 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne

I am confident that you did not watch the video that I posted. If you had, you would have seen that it contained a video of Prime Minister Andrew Holness outlining his plan for the removal of weekday lockdown restrictions in favour of a one day a week lockdown on every Sunday!
It is also interesting to note that Prime Minister Andrew Holness video address was given in April 2020! I notice that your posted link rebuttal is dated November 2014, almost six years ago. You really should do more research, before calling men of God "crackpots"...

"These men of God" as you call them are full of hot air when they say the kind of religious incantations and insults to God and His church that they are parroting from Satan, their filthy "message." in this video.

Again, the crack pot doctrines and accusers come out.

Even in this article, posted just the other day, that does talk about Sunday-related legislation, where the Jamaican Trade Unions are pushing it, there is nothing about "Sunday Laws!!" In fact those unions have been pushing for this for 20 years!

He said the Labour Contract Act also provides for a full day of rest, preferably Sunday and that the Protection Employment Act ?states in part that there is no misconduct if one?s absence on Saturday or Sunday is for relious worship Fear-Mongers purporting to be Adventists use articles like this to try and say something thats not true.

I highly doubt, going by your posts here that you have the faintest idea on what "the sunday question" even is. As long as we blindly accept this kind of crack-pot theology we will suffer under their feigned concern for "truth" just like anyone who is a slave would suffer.


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: The Wanderer] #192351
04/26/20 04:37 AM
04/26/20 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by The Wanderer
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne

I am confident that you did not watch the video that I posted. If you had, you would have seen that it contained a video of Prime Minister Andrew Holness outlining his plan for the removal of weekday lockdown restrictions in favour of a one day a week lockdown on every Sunday!
It is also interesting to note that Prime Minister Andrew Holness video address was given in April 2020! I notice that your posted link rebuttal is dated November 2014, almost six years ago. You really should do more research, before calling men of God "crackpots"...

"These men of God" as you call them are full of hot air when they say the kind of religious incantations and insults to God and His church that they are parroting from Satan, their filthy "message." in this video.

Again, the crack pot doctrines and accusers come out.

Even in this article, posted just the other day, that does talk about Sunday-related legislation, where the Jamaican Trade Unions are pushing it, there is nothing about "Sunday Laws!!" In fact those unions have been pushing for this for 20 years!

He said the Labour Contract Act also provides for a full day of rest, preferably Sunday and that the Protection Employment Act ?states in part that there is no misconduct if one?s absence on Saturday or Sunday is for relious worship Fear-Mongers purporting to be Adventists use articles like this to try and say something thats not true.

I highly doubt, going by your posts here that you have the faintest idea on what "the sunday question" even is. As long as we blindly accept this kind of crack-pot theology we will suffer under their feigned concern for "truth" just like anyone who is a slave would suffer.


I am not certain exactly whom you are referring to as "them" and "they"? The video I have posted is by one man. And, "incantations"?
I am afraid, you have completely lost me? Again, I will point out that my source for enforced Sunday lockdown is the Seventh Day Adventist
Prime Minister of Jamaica, himself, publicly on camera announcing his plan in April 2020. Your links to past legislation are irrelevant.

Your attempt to derail the discussion by questioning my knowledge and manipulating me into a lengthy explanation of "the Sunday question"
reeks of the Jesuitical strategy of divert and tire. You have only succeeded in revealing yourself. Furthermore, your rapid decent into ad hominem attacks is a sure symptom of no cogent argument. Since, you have nothing reasonable to contribute, and you are reacting with personal animosity
and anger, I will no longer be responding to your posts. That is not why I am here.

What I believe to be true has been placed before you. Accept it or not as you see fit.
Please, let us all try to remember that this is a Christian site and conduct ourselves accordingly.



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192353
04/26/20 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
Originally Posted by Wanderer

"These men of God" as you call them are full of hot air when they say the kind of religious incantations and insults to God and His church that they are parroting from Satan, their filthy "message." in this video.

Again, the crack pot doctrines and accusers come out.

Even in this article, posted just the other day, that does talk about Sunday-related legislation, where the Jamaican Trade Unions are pushing it, there is nothing about "Sunday Laws!!" In fact those unions have been pushing for this for 20 years!

He said the Labour Contract Act also provides for a full day of rest, preferably Sunday and that the Protection Employment Act ?states in part that there is no misconduct if one?s absence on Saturday or Sunday is for relious worship Fear-Mongers purporting to be Adventists use articles like this to try and say something thats not true.

I highly doubt, going by your posts here that you have the faintest idea on what "the sunday question" even is. As long as we blindly accept this kind of crack-pot theology we will suffer under their feigned concern for "truth" just like anyone who is a slave would suffer.


I am not certain exactly whom you are referring to as "them" and "they"? The video I have posted is by one man. And, "incantations"?
I am afraid, you have completely lost me? Again, I will point out that my source for enforced Sunday lockdown is the Seventh Day Adventist
Prime Minister of Jamaica, himself, publicly on camera announcing his plan in April 2020. Your links to past legislation are irrelevant.

Your attempt to derail the discussion by questioning my knowledge and manipulating me into a lengthy explanation of "the Sunday question"
reeks of the Jesuitical strategy of divert and tire. You have only succeeded in revealing yourself. Furthermore, your rapid decent into ad hominem attacks is a sure symptom of no cogent argument. Since, you have nothing reasonable to contribute, and you are reacting with personal animosity
and anger, I will no longer be responding to your posts. That is not why I am here.


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What I believe to be true has been placed before you. Accept it or not as you see fit.
Please, let us all try to remember that this is a Christian site and conduct ourselves accordingly.

I have explained very well above who I am talking about. Its your choice to make it personal and accuse me of not being Christian, or any of the other things in your list.. I really dont care what you think. IF this is a Christian site, then it needs a lot of cleaning up. Posting false claims about "Sunday" is simply turning this site into a religious zoo. And embellishing your so called "Christian response" to me by calling me "Jesuit" puts you right square where you claim me to be. It says more about you than me. IF you are sporting truth here, you would not do this to others who question or criticize.

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Please, let us all try to remember that this is a Christian site and conduct ourselves accordingly.


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: Sunday Law Enacted In Panama! [Re: ProdigalOne] #192354
04/27/20 03:55 AM
04/27/20 03:55 AM
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Please, let's communicate in a kinder manner.

No one thinks the FINAL Sunday law has been passed, the discussions concern a shift that the Covid-19 situation has created which is creating a favorable desire for Sunday legislation.

How do you think Sunday will become a universal day of rest? Remember, "silently it is growing" in little steps, disguised as a good for family, good for climate and environment, good for avoiding disease" etc. etc.
How else do you think a world where the majority aren't Sunday keepers would accept Sunday being THE day of rest? How will the United States and the Catholic Church impose the holiness of Sunday on billions of devout Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Pagans, as well as on Communists and atheists?

A Plan -- First comes a more secular "gathering" the people into Sunday in little steps. Getting them to "appreciate" Sunday for whatever reason. (good for family, good for climate and environment, good for avoiding disease" etc. etc. ) BUILD IT ON CRISES.
Soon something will cause the noose to tighten -- and yes it will become a religious issue. That hasn't happened yet (though we hear more people pushing for it) .

ANY type of Sunday law is a step against our freedom. The only safe and consistent position in relation to Sunday laws is uncompromising opposition to every form of Sunday law that may be invented. Adventist pioneers stood up against renewing of "blue laws".

And yes, even though "temporary" and "local" both Quebec and Jamaica have stepped back over into a "type of Sunday law" arbitrarily legislating that all (except a couple essential) stores close EVERY SUNDAY for the duration of Covid-19 and people can rest.

Quoting FORMER "days of operation" for stores and businesses, documents only adds emphases that THINGS have changed.

To say it's all "crack pot" is like telling a person who mentions in March that it's getting warmer and summer is coming, that they are all wrong because summer hasn't come yet. They know summer hasn't come yet -- BUT they see conditions are ripening, snow is melting and summer will soon come.

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Originally Posted by dedication
Please, let's communicate in a kinder manner.

No one thinks the FINAL Sunday law has been passed, the discussions concern a shift that the Covid-19 situation has created which is creating a favorable desire for Sunday legislation.

How do you think Sunday will become a universal day of rest? Remember, "silently it is growing" in little steps, disguised as a good for family, good for climate and environment, good for avoiding disease" etc. etc.
How else do you think a world where the majority aren't Sunday keepers would accept Sunday being THE day of rest? How will the United States and the Catholic Church impose the holiness of Sunday on billions of devout Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Pagans, as well as on Communists and atheists?

A Plan -- First comes a more secular "gathering" the people into Sunday in little steps. Getting them to "appreciate" Sunday for whatever reason. (good for family, good for climate and environment, good for avoiding disease" etc. etc. ) BUILD IT ON CRISES.
Soon something will cause the noose to tighten -- and yes it will become a religious issue. That hasn't happened yet (though we hear more people pushing for it) .

ANY type of Sunday law is a step against our freedom. The only safe and consistent position in relation to Sunday laws is uncompromising opposition to every form of Sunday law that may be invented. Adventist pioneers stood up against renewing of "blue laws".

And yes, even though "temporary" and "local" both Quebec and Jamaica have stepped back over into a "type of Sunday law" arbitrarily legislating that all (except a couple essential) stores close EVERY SUNDAY for the duration of Covid-19 and people can rest.

Quoting FORMER "days of operation" for stores and businesses, documents only adds emphases that THINGS have changed.

To say it's all "crack pot" is like telling a person who mentions in March that it's getting warmer and summer is coming, that they are all wrong because summer hasn't come yet. They know summer hasn't come yet -- BUT they see conditions are ripening, snow is melting and summer will soon come.
We are seeing everything being prepared for it, its clearly being put together by a alliance of forces including those supporting a lesser 'carbon footprint, and 'social justice' and advancement of issues such as LBTQ, etc...

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