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Re: COVID Hall of Shame [Re: TheophilusOne] #194193
06/27/21 06:06 AM
06/27/21 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
YOU SAID
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"(Where was Bohr when they closed churches on a whim and no evidence? Where was Bohr when they were abusing Leviticus to lock up healthy people?) (PS, as one who used to serve with AFmin, I have met Bohr in person)"
Of course I said it. I am the one who wrote it.

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
I have no idea what you are on about here.
Yes, I know why, but never mind that for now.

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
We have had people at church die of COVID.
Really? Prove it. I want documents and medical records. Is that rude? No. Death records are generally public, and after death medical records (50 years) are no longer private. Through other information submissions, the records can be obtained sooner from the executor if applied to the health facility.

People die all the time, even from over the counter aspirin (NSAIDs) - "... Death rate attributed to NSAID/aspirin use was between 21.0 and 24.8 cases/million people, respectively, or 15.3 deaths/100,000 NSAID/aspirin users. Up to one-third of all NSAID/aspirin deaths can be attributed to low-dose aspirin use. " - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16086703/ .

There are people that die from alcohol and/or alcohol related injuries - "Excessive alcohol use is responsible for more than 95,000 deaths in the United States each year, or 261 deaths per day. These deaths shorten the lives of those who die by an average of almost 29 years, for a total of 2.8 million years of potential life lost. It is a leading cause of preventable death in the United States, and cost the nation $249 billion in 2010." - https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-deaths.html

Why doesn't the CDC issue a dire warning to the Governors, and approach the WHO, NIH, etc and issue executive orders (tyrannical dictatorship) to close all bars, strip clubs, etc that deal in alcohol? Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

There are people that die of 'old age' (which brings about systems (liver, kidney's, lungs, etc) failure) (catch this - all the time!).

There are people that die in car wrecks. There are people that die of heart attacks and stroke due to their horrendous diets. There are people that die of gang related activity. There are people that die from murder. There are people who are having pieces of their limbs falling off due to diabetes.

People die of flu (really lung filled up/failure (Vit-C,D and Zinc would have cured them nearly instantly), or co-morbidities (heart failure, thus extra stress upon the heart due to lack of oxygen form the lungs, etc) - "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2019?2020 season was moderate with an estimated 38 million people sick with flu, 18 million visits to a health care provider for flu, 400,000 hospitalizations for flu, and 22,000 flu deaths (Table 1)." - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html

"... Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza. ..." - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

People die from abortion (some aborted, some aborting) by the millions - "As of December 31, 2020, there were 42.7 million abortions performed in the course of the year, Worldometer revealed, while 8.2 million people died from cancer, 5 million from smoking, and 1.7 million of HIV/AIDS.

By comparison, worldwide deaths from the coronavirus in 2020 totaled 1.8 million, according to Johns Hopkins University." - https://www.breitbart.com/national-...-death-in-2020-with-42-7-million-killed/

"...In 2018, 619,591 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. Among 48 reporting areas with data each year during 2009?2018, in 2018, a total of 614,820 abortions were reported, the abortion rate was 11.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15?44 years, and the abortion ratio was 189 abortions per 1,000 live births. ..." - https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/index.htm

Seems like a classic case of double standards (hypocrisy, false balances, and shaved measurements) to me.

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"People are hypocrites. They whine about protecting people from a common cold/flu with all these ridiculous measures, when many millions of people are actually dying from heart disease (meat/flesh eating), liver failure (alcoholism, etc), diabetes (fat and sugar), over sexed, and all manner else. Where is the real cry for any of those things? Where are the fines, masks, and body cavity searches and needles to keep people from spreading their diet, their lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life. You will never see it from them. Hypocrites, the lot of them."


Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
Oh, my, how judgemental you are.
I can live with that, since I judge according to the word of God.

Joh_7:24? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Mat_15:7? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Did you even bother to read the pioneers etc on Vaccines?

Kellog:

"Dr. Kellogg: That is the very thing I wanted to bring to your minds. We have statistical proof of the fact that this world is soon coming to an end. The Lord is not coming to destroy the world, but to save it; he is coming to save the world from what would come to it if it went on. We are coming down to a time of absolute confusion and destruction. Men are getting more and more subject to disease all the time. There are fewer old people than formerly. The last fifty years the bottom seems to have dropped out of the constitution of the human race. The Lord made man the toughest animal on the face of the earth. Even to-day you take a man who is in good training, and there is not another beast that can compete with him. A man can travel farther in six days than a horse. A well-trained man can tire out two or three horses in the course of a week. There is no question about it. Man, however, has greatly deteriorated, but no other animal would stand the abuse that he endures, even now. How long could a horse or a cow endure such treatment as human beings give themselves? A man would not dare feed his horse what he himself eats, or his cow either. He would not even feed his dog the same. A woman eats, and feeds things to her child, that she would not give her bird; she takes better care of her cat than of herself, or her child. The world is coming to see that there is a tremendous catastrophe before the race if something is not done. The hearts of the people, the world over, are wonderfully open to receive these principles. Two things are a constant wonder to me. The first is the beauty of these principles, and the other thing is that we do not appreciate them more. How can it be? Just see what these principles can do for this people! Let me call your attention to what the world is trying to do. Just as soon as small-pox gets into a community, what do the doctors do? They say everybody has to be vaccinated. Over in India they vaccinate from arm to arm, and people get leprosy and consumption through it. In this country that method is not tolerated. You would not allow your children to be vaccinated from your neighbor's child's arm; but you allow them to be vaccinated from a calf, because you know the calf has a great deal better blood than your neighbor's child has. You are afraid of your neighbor, and you have reason to be afraid of him. In India not long ago there was a case where one hundred and sixty students in a school were vaccinated from arm to arm, and sixty of those boys and girls came down with leprosy in three years. Think of that. You see vaccination is not a thing that is entirely safe; but there is some reason in it. But if you are vaccinated from a calf that has tuberculosis, then you get consumption. So you see that is not altogether safe. I believe there is something better on principle than that, and I am going to try to show you some disease with disease, and the man who is vaccinated is a little lower in vitality after he has been vaccinated than before. It is like a boy who becomes immune to the use of tobacco. At first it makes him sick, but afterward he becomes used to it, and it does not affect him; yet it is doing the boy harm all the time. It is thought by some scientists that the time will soon come when vaccination will be employed for all maladies in the earth. It has been said by Dr. Lancaster, of London, that the time will come when a young man taking a course in a medical school would, before he finished, be vaccinated for all diseases that were prevalent in the country. I do not think there would be very much left of that man after he had gone through all that. It has been proved that when a man has had small-pox, he is more subject to consumption than before. {February 21, 1899 N/A, GCDB 44.17} "

"J. H. Kellogg: Yes, it has been proved within the last three months by statistics that have been collected that a man is not so good after he has had smallpox as he was before. That is also true of typhoid fever. Very often consumption is fastened upon the victim of typhoid fever. As I said before, this method of obtaining immunity against disease is the method of fighting disease with disease, meeting evil with evil, antidoting poison with poison. It is wonderful to see to what an extent this can be carried. In Chicago a few weeks ago a woman appeared before our medical class; and she had with her a rattlesnake, which she took out of its cage. She held him in her hand and irritated him. She beat him, and stirred him up until he became angry, and then as she bared her arm, the reptile struck it time and again, and fastened his fangs into her arm, until the flesh was all covered with the virus. Then she said, "Take that virus, and inject it into a mouse, and see how quickly it will die." But yet it did not affect her in the least. The fact is, she has become so accustomed to the virus of the snake's bite that her body is perfectly immune to it, and it apparently does her no harm whatever. I remember a woman at the [45] sanitarium, who in one day took eight hundred full doses of morphia, - enough to kill forty men. Apparently it did not hurt her, though in fact it was all the time undermining her constitution. This method of fighting disease with disease is the human way of meeting disease, just as we fight fire with fire. But God has given us a truth that has in it power to lift a man above the power of disease. He has given us principles which, if we obey and follow, will change our bodies so that we shall not have to be vaccinated; that will lift the body above the power of disease, and above the power of sin; for sin and disease go along together. Disease is the consequence of sin, and sin induces a moral disease. {February 21, 1899 N/A, GCDB 44.19} "

A.T. Jones:

"Enforced Sunday rest can have no justification except on the hypothesis that Sunday labor is immoral; and such labor can be held to be immoral only on the ground that it is irreligious. But it ought not to require any argument to show that no such question can become "a legitimate" subject of "police regulation." It is to be feared that the same "religious views and feelings" which confessedly "had a controlling influence" in the making of the Georgia Sunday statute had a like influence in sustaining it in the State and Federal courts. {July 9, 1896 ATJ, AMS 209.7}

The police power is "hard to define," but it will be admitted that it has its limitations. A law writer of some note has well said of this power that it is "unquestionably limited to the prevention of interference by one man with another." 2 "The fact," continues the same author, "that a man's conduct, his behavior, or his manner of living, may be unwise, in view of his own position, or his health, and may result in injury to himself alone, physically or morally, affords no ground whatever for the interference of the 'police power' with his proceedings. It is settled that the State may compel an unwilling citizen to be vaccinated. But on what ground? Now because if he remains unvaccinated, he would be liable to catch the smallpox; nor yet because if he did catch it, he would probably die; but solely because his unvaccinated condition renders him specially liable to become a source of contagion to others. This is an extreme case. But beyond this the police power certainly could not go in this country. It could not, for example, compel a man with a weak back to wear a porous plaster, a man with caries to submit to amputation, a man with dyspepsia to take exercise, or a tired man to rest, because the suggested proceeding may be an advisable one in each case for the individual's own interst." {July 9, 1896 ATJ, AMS 209.8} "

EJ Waggoner:

"The figures for the week ending February 22, show sixty-four deaths in London from small-pox, and 107 from influenza. More than this, the deaths from influenza that week were double the number for the preceding week, and for that week they were twice as many as the next week but one previous. The total number of deaths in London for the week ending February 1st was 1,652, and for the week ending February 22nd the number was 2,509, the increase being largely due to influenza and diseases of the respiratory organs, akin to influenza. Yet while people are flocking to be vaccinated, as a protection against small-pox, nearly all seem to think that influenza must be submitted to as a matter of course whenever it is "in the air." When will people begin to learn that disease is not stalking about to "attack" people, but it is a result of certain easily ascertained causes, which, for the most part, it is entirely within the power of the individual to control? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.12} "

"The Church Times, commenting on the failure of the proposal in Parliament to make vaccination universally compulsory says: "If there is anything in vaccination statistics, or if it is believed to be a safeguard against the disease of small-pox, it is absurd to allow the conscientious objector to roam at large. He is as great a danger to the community as a mad dog." Without expressing any opinion as to the value of vaccination, it seems evident that such language as this breathes the very spirit of the Roman Catholic Inquisition. If it is considered absurd to allow the conscientious objector to the opinions of the majority on this subject to roam at large, the next step would be to cage the conscientious dissenter from the Established Church. And a question arises here: If vaccination be indeed a safeguard against small-pox, how can a conscientious objector be as dangerous as a mad dog? What harm could he do in a community of vaccinated persons? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.15} "

"Of eighty deaths from small-pox in London the week before last, forty-eight were those of vaccinated people, and twenty-eight of the unvaccinated people, the remaining four being unaccounted for. The Asylums Board authorities explain the fact that "there are generally more deaths in recent numbers among the vaccinated patients" than among vaccinated, by saying that the vaccinated "outnumber the unvaccinated patients by four or five to one." The percentage of deaths is greater among unvaccinated patients than among vaccinated; but then since vaccination is for the purpose of protecting people against taking the disease, it would seem that there ought not to be four or five times as many vaccinated small-pox patients as unvaccinated. {March 20, 1902 EJW, PTUK 189.16} "

"Speaking on the Vaccination Bill now before the House of Commons, Mr. T. Bayley said that a year ago he was strongly in favour of vaccination, but inquiry into the question, and reading the Government reports, made his mind very doubtful, and he was beginning to believe that they were absolutely at the wrong end of the question altogether, and that sanitation, isolation, and cleanliness of the people would do more to destroy small-pox than giving cow-pox or anything else. {May 12, 1898 EJW, PTUK 304.12}

This is undoubtedly the correct view. Altogether apart from the merits of vaccination as a preventive of disease, it is evident that this alone does not save a person from small-pox. Habits of life which invites such a visitation cannot be atoned for by an occasional inoculation, any more than a man can violate the laws of health and yet hope to retain it by means of a periodic pill. {May 12, 1898 EJW, PTUK 304.13} "

"At the recent Health Congress at Blackpool, a paper was read by Dr. Adler, Chief Rabbi of London, on the antiquity of sanitation, reference of course being made to the regulations found in the books of Moses. Those rules were given by the Lord Himself, and, when followed, produced the healthiest people that ever lived. Let it be noted, however, that inoculation was not included in the list of preventives of disease. Perfect cleanliness within as well as without the body, is the sum of the whole matter. Clean food, pure water, fresh air, plenty of sunlight, regular, muscular exercise, and a clean conscience, will ward off any plague known. It may be said that vaccination and inoculation have saved many lives. No doubt they have served a purpose, and will yet do so among people who find that course easier than keeping themselves thoroughly clean; but to fill one's body with death, as a means of warding off death, is unscriptural and unscientific. {October 5, 1899 EJW, PTUK 640.4} "

"We believe in the fullest possible liberty of the individual, yet we really cannot see why the Government may not prohibit the use of the abominable weed, at any rate in public, on the same principle that it muzzles dogs. If this proposal were made, however, there would be a general outcry against such an interference with the rights of the individual; and yet very little protest is made against compulsory vaccination! People who have no objection to being compelled to be poisoned would protest against being prohibited from taking poison and poisoning the others. {November 30, 1899 EJW, PTUK 768.4} "

"In connection with the present outbreak of smallpox in London "it has been carefully estimated that the total cost so far entailed on public bodies and individuals for vaccination purposes, including the cost of lymph, payment of public officers and private medical men, opening of vaccination stations, and setting the whole machinery of public vaccination in motion, is ?700,000." {October 24, 1901 EJW, PTUK 686.3}

...

The magistrates seem to be having a difficult task on hand, in trying to decide questions of conscience. The law allows the "conscientious objector" to vaccination to receive a certificate of exemption, but it seems that a man's statement to that effect is not sufficient. He must prove to the satisfaction of the magistrates that he is conscientious. Of course the thing is impossible, for in a case of that kind no one can do more than solemnly to declare his conscientious convictions. The result is that the granting of the exemption depends wholly upon what the magistrate believes in the case, and not on what the applicant believes. The worst feature about the matter is the precedent that is set, that a man's conscience may be a subject of legal examination. The Inquisition was built upon that. {October 24, 1901 EJW, PTUK 686.6} "

"The Church Times, commenting on the failure of the proposal in Parliament to make vaccination universally compulsory says: "If there is anything in vaccination statistics, or if it is believed to be a safeguard against the disease of small-pox, it is absurd to allow the conscientious objector to roam at large. He is as great a danger to the community as a mad dog." Without expressing any opinion as to the value of vaccination, it seems evident that such language as this breathes the very spirit of the Roman Catholic Inquisition. If it is considered absurd to allow the conscientious objector to the opinions of the majority on this subject to roam at large, the next step would be to cage the conscientious dissenter from the Established Church. And a question arises here: If vaccination be indeed a safeguard against small-pox, how can a conscientious objector be as dangerous as a mad dog? What harm could he do in a community of vaccinated persons? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.15} "

"When the question of compulsory Sunday observance has been agitated, it has always been urged that the law must be obeyed whether it was good or not; but now we are hearing a different story. The same religious papers and leaders that before were so zealous for law, are now with one voice advocating opposition to law, if the Education Bill passes. It is quite generally agreed by Nonconformists that they will refuse to pay rates if that Bill becomes law. Leading ministers openly advocate the refusal to pay rates, and religious conventions enthusiastically pass resolutions to that effect. Resistance seems to be in the air; for a demonstration took place in the East-end last week, to welcome home a man who had been imprisoned for ten days under the vaccination laws. After several had spoken, the man himself, amid great applause, said that "he stood there not only as an antivaccinationist, but as a law-breaker, for he held that it was a good thing to break a bad law." Now that is a most unfortunate way of putting the case. No Christian is ever warranted in resisting law, or in refusing to pay even unjust taxes. Christians cannot by any means comply with civil enactments that contravene Divine laws; but their action should always be based upon obedience to the higher law, and not on resistance to the lower. On the latter basis, self and human rights are the prominent things; on the former basis, God and His honour are kept always in the front. {October 9, 1902 EJW, PTUK 653.9} "

"He [Dr. D H Kress] spoke of vaccination, of antitoxin treatment for diphtheria, and of other similar methods, as being an artificial means of supplying properties which the body provides for itself when in a state of health. For this reason, the use of such methods should not be classed as drug medication. {June 1, 1909 WASe, GCB 236.12}

Others spoke of the need of educating away from the use of drugs, and of the great need of a medical school of our own, in which young students can learn at the beginning to use rational methods instead of depending on the use of drugs. {June 1, 1909 WASe, GCB 236.13} "

Looks like you aren't with them (pioneers, etc) but with someone else in Rome, or at least as that is how AT Jones and EJ Waggoner seem to put it.

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Re: COVID Hall of Shame [Re: TheophilusOne] #194200
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Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
We have had people at church die of COVID.
That may or may not be true, but what has that to do with the price of eggs in China?

Many people died of smallpox and polio, but that doesn't mean everyone should be forced to carry a rabbit's foot in their pocket and wear a tinfoil hat.

The scientific method determines whether something is useful or not.
The scientific method has not been applied -- or more likely, has been ignored.

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Matthew, do you have a reference for both letters from D.E. Robinson? I'd like to be able to show people who abuse Ellen White as Bohr did.

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Originally Posted by kland
Matthew, do you have a reference for both letters from D.E. Robinson? I'd like to be able to show people who abuse Ellen White as Bohr did.
This may help you:

https://ellenwhite.org/articles/129#_ftn1

It contains the references.

For the L. C. Kellogg quote, it comes from -

W. C. White to L. C. Kellogg, February 5, 1924, Q and A 34-E-2, Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., Silver Spring, MD (EGWE).

For the D. E. Robinson quote I provided from the E. G. White Estate, it is likewise reference 4 on that link just provided

D. E. Robinson to Clarence Hocker, June 12, 1931, EGWE.

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Have you read the link you posted?

Re: COVID Hall of Shame [Re: TheophilusOne] #194205
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Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
Have you read the link you posted?
Yes. I am not interested in the bias it portrays - I simply ignore that. I am only interested in the sourced citations, which have their own biases. I collect all information. I cite references and links all of the time, that do not agree with scripture or SoP/ToJ, not because they disagree with these, but because they accurately represent a source under citation. For instance, I cite Roman Catholic documents all of the time from original sources. I do not agree with their anti-Christian theology/faith/practices and biases. I will even cite anti-Seventh-day Adventist material to accurately record and document their lies/deception. If you peruse the Bible (KJB), even from the beginning, it too cites and records the deception of the enemy. See Genesis 3 to begin with, "not surely die".

Re: COVID Hall of Shame [Re: kland] #194492
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https://www.rmcyouth.org/camp

Policy and action plan.
They require 10-day pre self screening, testing, avoiding others before coming to camp. Okay. I can accept that, if the idea is you don't let disease in, then all kids can be kids and no worries. Yeah, right?
Nope!

After arriving at camp, hand washing, outdoor seating, isolated cabin groups, disinfection of bathhouses regularly.
Huh?
Why? If no disease got in, then no need. If must worry, then why the pre stuff?
And not only that, but, face coverings for over 11, social distancing...
Why? Did the pre screening and testing not prove adequate? If face coverings and social distancing prevent disease, why this pre nonsense?
And not only that, but, staff members not vaccinated need daily checks, and face coverings.
Why? Do they really think all these measures don't really work why they need to check daily?


Shame on Colorado.
Shame on Rocky Mountain Conference / Glacier View Ranch.

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At the same time, the church respects the rights of individuals? freedom of choice for those who choose not to be vaccinated.
Except we consider them wrong.
https://www.adventistreview.org/chu...enth-day-adventist-church-covid-response
The General Conference Reaffirms Tyranny.

Double Speak
Reading the article, while there are nice sounding things, do you get the feeling the church really respects the individuals choice in the matter?

In the light of the global magnitude of the pandemic, the deaths, disability, and long-term COVID-19 effects that are emerging in all age groups, we encourage our members to consider responsible immunization and the promotion and facilitation of the development of what is commonly termed herd immunity (pre-existing community immunity of approximately 80 percent of the population or more as a result of previous infection and/or vaccination).

Herd Immunity is a relatively recent manufactured idea which has not been shown scientifically to be true, but has been shown in multiple environments to be false.

Responsible immunization? What do they call irresponsible immunization?

Notice the references. Very few scientific articles. And one of them funded by the CDC. Ignoring other research.


Here's a question. If in the past, all drugs are harmful, then how does men, using methods to make something which God does not approve, suddenly come up with a drug which God does approve? Do men working in evil ways bring about something good? If so, then would God approve of men using evil methods and making evil substances?

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Isn't there a quote indicating the USA will repudiate it's constitution and bring in the final crises?

Well the constitution is being ignored and the covid plandemic is being used to do just that.
A serious step in obliterating the safe guards of the constitution which is needed for the final crises to be enforced in the future.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/639629778?h=797d356e9a

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Oh for Pete's sake.
I cannot get the medical records of someone at church. Not related to them. and just to show you.
And what could you do with a medical record if you had one?
Probably say it was untrue.
So the doctors told the church member's wife that the member had died of COVID. She told the pastor, who had done an anointing by phone, to the member. The pastor told us.

Did they all lie?
And who are you to say they did?

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