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Angels with an URGENT MESSAGE #194908
07/25/22 02:36 AM
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ANGELS WITH AN URGENT MESSAGE

Beyond our human vision there is a reality that has huge influence upon our lives.

Gen. 27 Jacob's eyes are opened in a dream and he saw ANGELS ascending and descending from the LORD.
Then we see in the gospels, ANGELS announce, with songs of praise, the birth of Christ in Bethlehem.
And lastly, at the end of earth's history, we see three angels flying in the midst of heaven with a very urgent message to mankind.

THE WAR
Revelation 12 shows us a dragon serpent, the devil and Satan on the war path against Christ and Christ's followers. Revelation 13 warns us this dragon has companions who are out to destroy our connection with our God and lead us into false worship.

Yet too often we don't understand this realm of beings contending to achieve our allegiance.

God's angels are messengers with a message they need to proclaim to the earth. But angels don't usually do the direct preaching and teaching, they work with co-operative humans, helping them to give the message!

Revelation 14 is that last message to world headed for destruction.

What is that message?
And why is there such a frightening warning?

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Maybe think of the three angels message of Revelation 14, this way....

Our world is on the brink of destruction - just like in the days of Noah when the flood came and destroyed them all.

Sin has run out of control, good is declared evil, and evil is declared good. Good is despised while evil is celebrated, darkness is put as light, and light is declared as darkness. Strife, immorality, fear, and violence, coupled with disease, amalgamation, disaster and emotional and physical distress is the norm.

The world is on the brink of destruction, the storm clouds are all around, the winds of strife are slipping and the four angels of Rev. 7, will soon let go of those winds completely.

THERE IS ONLY ONE HOPE!

And that is the message of the three angels in Revelation 14.


And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel (the good news that salvation is available!) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying --
Fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement is come, WORSHIP HIM Who created the heavens and the earth and the fountains of water.


THE GOSPEL is everlasting. The Gospel is the message of salvation in Christ ? there is no salvation anywhere else. There is life NO WHERE else. Sin is destroying the earth, and sin will be destroyed.
Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."
Romans 1:16,17 "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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The gospel is the power of God to forgive and cleanse and lift us from sin unto His own righteousness which He works in everyone who surrenders to Him.

To understand the true meaning of the gospel is paramount to all the rest of the message. Without Christ we can do nothing! Without His forgiveness we are doomed. Without His Holy Spirit we are helpless! Without a new heart which only God can give we cannot even love Him as we ought.


TRUST IN GOD AND HIS WORD -- not in the popular seemingly spiritual movements of the world. All the world will worship at the wrong shrine. Spiritualistic Babylon, a grand mixture of confusion, coercion, violence, yet complete with appearances of piety and "common good" for all. But that path is going DOWN, it is full of traps and evil spirits and will attempt to deceive and draw into its swirling waters even the very elect. The end of that river ends up going "over the falls" into the chilling waters of death -- eternal death.

Yes, the message is URGENT!!! There is only one way to escape the destructive end time trap to which sin and evil is hurtling the world, which robs millions not only of earthly life, but eternal life.

The call is to reach out from the whirlpools engulfing the world and clasp the hand of Jesus, the Lamb of God, Who alone can pull us out, cleanse us, and cloth us with the armor of God which the devil cannot rob from us (though he will try to rob all of salvation and drag them into eternal destruction with himself).

But God's redeemed with patient endurance cling to Christ with faith and trust, walking with Him, following Him in obedience and love where ever He leads.

By HIS power they keep God's commands and are filled with the faith of Jesus.

Therein alone is hope for all who will respond.

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Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Fear God
Give Him glory
Worship Him

Ps. 2:11 (The godly) serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling."


Does this sound like a contradiction? To the carnal way of thinking, probably, but in reality it is a sublime and awesome paradox that makes our worship a healthy, reverent, joyful experience. We need to be guarded against pride and self-trust, and pulling God down to our level. The experience of worship is to instill in us a deep, unshakable confidence in the awesomeness of our God. Godly fear enables us to recognize that our loving and gracious God, is not to be trifled with. He is God who made heaven and earth, the sea and everything else, including us. He is righteousness, power, and perfectly holy, as well as gracious Savior and love.

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Those angels with an urgent message represent His end-time people who are supposed to be proclaiming this urgent message.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Yes people are to give the message but they need to remember they are to work with God?s angels! As EGW wrote: ?Human agencies are called to be hand helpers, to work out the knowledge and use the facilities of heavenly angels. By uniting with these powers ..we shall benefit by there higher experience and experience? MLT 305. as we work with God?s angels surely surely we want to echo the message they bring from heaven

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The three angels message is God?s final warning to the world this it is an urgent message!!! First let?s consider the information given in the context of these messages. In the chapter previous revelation 13, we read about two powerful beasts who led and enforce a counterfeit worship upon the populations of the world. There is a strong warning urging rope to be wise and understand a triple six number. Then in chapter 14 we see a group of people following the Lamb with the Father?s name written on there for heads. They are sealed and singing a song of deliverance.
Then comes the message that is to be proclaimed
Fear (stand in worshipful awe and obedience) before the God of all creation
His hour of judgment which determines the eternal destiny of every person, has come
Babylon, the spiritual, world power, is not leading the world into truth, it is fallen.
Everyone who follows this fallen power and receives its mark in their foreheads (in direct contrast to having the Father?s name in their foreheads) will suffer the firery destruction that destroys all sin. They have no peace and their destruction is forever
But there is another group who with perseverance and the faith of Jesus walk steadfastly in obedience to God?s commands Even though they may die they are blessed Their reward is sure.

Re: Angels with an URGENT MESSAGE [Re: dedication] #194942
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Oops: you forgot two key parts. I'll have to come back and fill in the details, but there is a special connection with the issues of the great controversy; how it answers the three lies of Lucifer/Satan about the 3 members of the trinity.

But the other point is the very key to all of this: The everlasting gospel. You are talking about the results of what the message of the gospel does, but we must always start out that is is focused on the everlasting gospel; otherwise we have only scary warnings with out the power and joy.

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The study of the three angel's messages is broad. A summary (which my last post was) cannot explain everything. I aim to share in multiple posts
Of course the whole counterfeit trinity is trying to take the place of the true.
The dragon seeks to take God the Father's place.
The 1st beast seeks to take Christ's place. Standing in the place of Christ.
The 2nd beast with his fire falling from heaven seeks to take the Holy Spirit's place.

It is the counterfeit that seeks to supplant true worship of the three person Creator God.

Also, I agree, the foundational aspect of the gospel is extremely important! Yes, the whole thing is about the everlasting gospel!
I'm a little surprised you didn't see that in the posts above.

The counterfeits are seeking to replace the everlasting gospel with another gospel. Actually they care little what that other gospel is as long as it is not the true gospel.

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The everlasting gospel is GOOD NEWS!
However, people don't grasp the awesome goodness and mercy of this news if they are ignorant of the bad news of their condition. As long as they think all is well enough, the "good news" is only a nice thought but not regarded as the ONLY way out of a terrible mess. But when they realize this world has been hi jacked by a deadly foe and heading into terrible destructive future, they start to appreciate the magnitude of what it took for Christ to deliver, and open a way of escape.

Yes, we can go back another chapter -- to chapter 12 where it describes the Great Controversy in a nutshell. God is sending His Son as a little human baby into the world. The dragon, satan, eagerly awaits the birth, so he can devour the child. But he fails, and Christ, after forever settling the question satan raised concerning God's love and justice, and at the cross providing the all sufficient sacrifice, thus ratifying the covenant of salvation, returns to heaven. The dragon then turns his wrath upon the woman (God's people) determined to wipe them out, but they can overcome him (satan's attacks) by the blood of the Lamb (Christ's amazing sacrifice) and the word of their testimony.

And yes, that is the good news, satan is a defeated foe, BUT it has only made him more furious and determined to take as many human beings as possible into utter destruction with him.

Thus the three angels come with the urgent warning. Not to scare us away from God, but to awaken us to flee the foe and find our refuge, strength and joy in Christ.

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The first angels message proclaims the everlasting gospel in the context of God as creator and Who is beginning the hour of His judgment
. Yes, the gospel is central, but what gospel? The apostle Paul warns of people coming with ?another gospel?.Gal1:8,9. And the angels of Revelation 14. Announce that the mayor religious powers are fallen ( they do not have the true gospel. )
Then we have the third message which portrays the polarization at the end as being between those who keep the commandments of God with the faith of Jesus in contrast with those who follow the mandates of the beast and image.

These messages have been portrayed as three steps to a sold platform of truth.

From 1SG 268
I saw a company who stood well grounded and firm. They would give no countenance to those who woul unsettle the established faith of the body. ? I was shown three steps? 1,2,3. The first, second and third angels messages.
Said the angel,?woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin in these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance, the destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received
I was again brought down through these messages. And saw how dearly the people of God had purchased their experience .. Step by step God had brought them along until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform.

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Three points to ponder

1. Notice the linguistic similarities between the first angels call to fear and worship the Creator with the fourth commandment to remember the Creator.
"Fear God" worship Him that made the heavens and the earth and the seas and the fountains of water.

Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy "for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is."

2. When the three angels messages began to sound in the 1840 it seems the devil launched a strong and militant counter thought process called evolution

3. Could the Sabbath be far more important in the whole role of the gospel than we have realized and addressed

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powerful post dedication!!!! Yes, when these messages began to be sounded in the 1840s, the devil did indeed launch a strong and militant counter thought process through evolution. He takes facts and blows them out of proportion and tries to get us into a simple two camps that he can divide and conquer.

There is room to argue over the age of the earth, and what is implied in the terms translated "without form and void". Mrs. White gives two periods of changes in animals; the change from the fall and the change after the flood. And she sees these as fairly rapid. Satan gets some of us to want to reject these changes, and he gets others to think that these changes were very, very slow and that evolution is upward progressing and the ORGINE of creation.

As we learn more about the Sabbath we will see this better. As we dig into Revelation 14 we will come across treasures. It is sad that while Mrs. White and the pioneers tell us to study this, I see too many who believe that we know all there is, and instead of digging for the treasure, we have built on these verses a palace to the glory of the Seventh-day Adventist church and the demonizing of all others. But someday, and I believe your post are a start, we are going to turn our eyes from our greatness and to turn our eyes upon Jesus, and dig for the treasure Mrs. White and the pioneers tell us we will find here.

The one infinite God to communicate with finite beings reveals himself through trinity: God as great power, creator, different essence that what we are. God as approachable, friend. God as working with our subjective, existential experience. Satan has three deceptions, one against each of these revelations. God the Father is creator and difference essence than we are/ evolution says creation is only an act of nature, that if God does exist, he is only of the same essence as we are, part of evolved nature, and thus has no right to place a law over us. Then the idea that justice destroys mercy attacks the special love and relationship shown in God the Son. And the idea that mercy destroys justice, that the law has been done away with attacks the work of the Holy Spirit who works with our subjective and existential experience to write God's law on our heart.

God's law is self sacrificing love, no more and no less. But it is presented from general to specific. This great principle is broken down into supreme love for God, and to love your neighbor as yourself. How to do this, we have the 10 commandments. Then we have the so called "law of Moses" which is simply every day applications of God's law of self sacrificing life. God's law is absolute, but these applications are not absolute. One of the problems some Jewish people had around the time of Christ was that some tried to make both the law and the applications absolute, and when the Bible makes different applications, they spent hours and hours trying to make both be a one size fits all. (often conservative believers in what ever faith community we find ourselves end up trying to do the same thing).

Now, when we meet the Exodus 20 version of the 10 commandments, we find that they break into three equal thirds. The first third are 3 commands that teach us how to love God supremely, and reflect the role of God the Father, and what is attacked by the first deception of Satan. The last third has 6 commands on how to love our neighbor as ourselves, reflect the role of the Holy Spirit, and is attacked by the third deception of Satan.

The middle third consists of only 1 command, but this one unites both ideas of loving God supremely and seeing him as a different essence than we are, that he is indeed our creator, and how this flows into loving our neighbor as ourselves, and this is NOT done by our works, but by resting in a relationship with this amazing creator God. This middle third describes the role, the ministry of God the Son. It is attacked by the second deception of Satan. This one is Satan's special target because it is the only one that unites the loving God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves, and makes it possible to love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves.

We have two big approaches to the Bible. One is focused on me being a sinner and how can I convince God to let me into heaven instead of sending me to hell. The other is focused on just who God is, how he loves us and how he is ministering to the entire universe to develop a mature love. This second way is the urgent message of the three angels. They are connected to answering the three deceptions of Satan and fulfilling the three thirds of the Exodus 20 version of the 10 commandments.

Mrs. White writes on the eschatological issue on two levels. One is the ultimate level of liberty of conscience. Our individual responsibility to follow truth as we understand it, and the freedom to allow others to follow their liberty of conscience. Then she illustrates and applies this principle through the Sabbath-Sunday issue and Sunday laws. Sadly, we tend to only look at her illustration and application. When we read or hear what she says about the larger principle, we have an "auto correct" between our eyes and brain and ears and brain, so that our brain misses the greater principle and only sees the local application.

In dealing with the issue of who is God, which is the true creator, the unique God, or simply mother nature, the ultimate issue of origin, the Sabbath is the cultic sign that what ever the details may be, how ever long ago it happened, we are NOT the products of mother nature alone, but that there was indeed special creation with the true creator God.

The sabbath also becomes a special test because we find nothing in the Bible commanding us to give up the sabbath or it being moved to another day. The principle of the seventh-day Sabbath is consistent in scripture. I've posted in other posts about the importance of the understanding of freedom that we find in a special way in the life and teachings of Roger Williams, and Jefferson/Madison, especially as deepened through the age of Jackson. I'm making this post too long, so I'll stop here and return instead of a long meander.

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I don't know if I'm following you correctly.

There are more than two ways that people interpret the Bible.
Its true that one way is focused on me being a sinner and how can I convince God to let me into heaven instead of consigning me to everlasting death.
But there is nothing I can do to convince God to let me, a sinner into heaven. So that is not how we are to interpret things.

And yes, another way is to think that I can understand just who God is, how he loves us and how he is ministering to the entire universe to develop a mature love. But that statement can be interpreted in a number of ways. I would see it more as God allowing sin to demonstrate itself so everyone is absolutely convinced in their own hearts and minds that God's ways of righteousness are the ways of love and happiness, and Satan is a big liar.

And what about the Biblical view
that, me being a sinner and me being convinced just how much I need a Savior to justify me by His blood and cleanse me, and by His power and Spirit to make me fit to be His child for all eternity. Yes, that is very much part of God's love -- "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:7,8 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." By walking with Christ we begin to reflect His character.

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From Selected Messages Vol. 2 by EGW


The Three Angels' Messages in their
Larger Setting


The proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages has been located by the Word of Inspiration. Not a peg or pin is to be removed. No human authority has any right to change the location of these messages ... {2SM 104.2}

The first and second messages were given in 1843 and 1844, and we are now under the proclamation of the third: but all three of the messages are still to be proclaimed. It is just as essential now as ever before that they shall be repeated to those who are seeking for the truth. By pen and voice we are to sound the proclamation, showing their order, and the application of the prophecies that bring us to the third angel's message. There cannot be a third without the first and second. These messages we are to give to the world in publications, in discourses, showing in the line of prophetic history the things that have been and the things that will be. {2SM 104.3}

The book that was sealed was not the book of Revelation, but that portion of the prophecy of Daniel which related to the last days. The Scripture says, "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" (Daniel 12:4). When the book was opened, the proclamation was made, "Time shall be no longer." (See Revelation 10:6.) The book of Daniel is now unsealed, and the revelation made by Christ to John is to come to all the inhabitants of the earth. By the increase of knowledge a people is to be prepared to stand in the latter days. {2SM 105.1}

The Sabbath the Great Issue

"And I saw another angel[i] fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" (Revelation 14:6, 7).[/i] {2SM 105.2}

This message, if heeded, will call the attention of every nation and kindred and tongue and people to a close examination of the Word, and to the true light in regard to the power that has changed the seventh-day Sabbath to a spurious sabbath. The only true God has been forsaken, His law has been discarded, His sacred Sabbath institution has been trampled in the dust by the man of sin. The fourth commandment, so plain and explicit, has been ignored.
The Sabbath memorial, declaring who the living God is, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, has been torn down, and a spurious sabbath has been given to the world in its place. Thus a breach has been made in the law of God. A false sabbath could not be a true standard. {2SM 105.3}

In the first angel's message men are called upon to worship God, our Creator, who made the world and all things that are therein. They have paid homage to an institution of the Papacy, making of no effect the law of Jehovah, but there is to be an increase of knowledge on this subject. {2SM 106.1}

The message proclaimed by the angel flying in the midst of heaven is the everlasting gospel, the same gospel that was declared in Eden when God said to the serpent, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel" (Genesis 3:15). Here was the first promise of a Saviour who would stand on the field of battle to contest the power of Satan and prevail against him. Christ came to our world to represent the character of God as it is represented in His holy law; for His law is a transcript of His character. Christ was both the law and the gospel. The angel that proclaims the everlasting gospel proclaims the law of God; for the gospel of salvation brings men to obedience of the law, whereby their characters are formed after the divine similitude. {2SM 106.2}

In the fifty-eighth chapter of Isaiah, the work of those who worship God, the Maker of the heavens and the earth, is specified: "They that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations" (Isaiah 58:12). God's memorial, His seventh-day Sabbath, will be uplifted. "Thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath [no longer trample it under your feet], from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him,... I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for mouth of the Lord hath spoken it" (Isaiah 58:12-14). {2SM 106.3}

The history of the church and the world, the loyal and the disloyal, is here plainly revealed. The loyal under the proclamation of the third angel's message have turned their feet into the way of God's commandments, to respect, to honor, and glorify Him who created the heavens and the earth. The opposing forces have dishonored God by making a breach in His law, and when light from His Word has called attention to His holy commandments, revealing the breach made in the law by the papal authority, then, to get rid of conviction, men have tried to destroy the whole law. But could they destroy it? No; for all who will search the Scriptures for themselves will see that the law of God stands immutable, eternal, and His memorial, the Sabbath, will endure through eternal ages, pointing to the only true God in distinction from all false gods. {2SM 107.1}

Satan has been persevering and untiring in his efforts to prosecute the work he began in heaven, to change the law of God. He has succeeded in making the world believe the theory he presented in heaven before his fall, that the law of God was faulty, and needed revising. A large part of the professed Christian church, by their attitude, if not by their words, show that they have accepted the same error. But if in one jot or tittle the law of God has been changed, Satan has gained on earth that which he could not gain in heaven. He has prepared his delusive snare, hoping to take captive the church and the world. But not all will be taken in the snare. A line of distinction is being drawn between the children of obedience and the children of disobedience, the loyal and true and the disloyal and untrue. Two great parties are developed, the worshipers of the beast and his image, and the worshipers of the true and living God. {2SM 107.2}

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Originally Posted by dedication
Three points to ponder

1. Notice the linguistic similarities between the first angels call to fear and worship the Creator with the fourth commandment to remember the Creator.
"Fear God" worship Him that made the heavens and the earth and the seas and the fountains of water.

Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy "for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is."

2. When the three angels messages began to sound in the 1840 it seems the devil launched a strong and militant counter thought process called evolution

3. Could the Sabbath be far more important in the whole role of the gospel than we have realized and addressed


For #1, they dovetail together and those who are spiritually attuned can see it. Unfortunately, most reject what is plain to see.
For #2, I am seeing many manifestations of Satans false angels talking to people, even in our church one of the leaders said he had a angel giving him messages and the others in the leadership became very anxious of it. But he refused to give up talking to them and then suffered a medical issue and he has not come back. Many others in the forums are having similar contacts and others are trying to warn them, but they seemed to be locked into these angels, which seemed to be not of God to say the least.
For #3, the climate change agenda seems to be fixed on pushing the 'green sabbath' on many fronts to 'reduce the carbon footprint', so it is coming from a odd direction, but still is a substitute to the Sabbath.

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For #1 Yes, it's sad that most reject the similarities between the wording of the fourth commandment and the message of the first angel's message. Yet when we look even further at the surrounding context of that message we see that:
a. The devil (dragon) is out to war against those who keep God's commandments (12:17)
b. While God's saints are defined as those who keep God's commandments (14:12)

#2 Yes, there is a whole realm of spiritual beings (usually not visible to human eyes) that are contending for our thoughts. God's angels vs the dragon's angels. The whole evolution paradigm thought is directly opposed to the urgent call of the first heavenly angel's call to worship the Creator. Atheist evolution takes God right out of the picture. While theistic evolution presents us with a different God -- a cosmic god, not the Creator God. No six days of creation, and thus no seventh day Sabbath as the memorial of creation and the Creator.

#3 The importance of the Sabbath, is that it links us with the True God!
Sunday, as the first day of the week, is the memorial of a cosmic god and it represents the day "creation" began. This "creation" supposedly then developed into higher forms through evolutionary means in undefined lengthy periods of time, and is now pushing humanity to its next level of evolutionary development -- a leap into super human race.
The seventh day (commonly known as Saturday) is the memorial of the perfect creation that God spoke into existence in six literal days. Mankind was created fully formed, PERFECT, male and female, without sin, without death, in the image of God. Sin messed up this perfection big time, and salvation is offered through Christ and His death and righteousness, to cleanse, and restore mankind to their original state.

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dedication: WOW!!! What a powerful post. Thank you.

While we tend to ignore this, Abraham Joshua Heshel points out that the Exodus 20 version of the 10 Commandments breaks up into three thirds; with the Sabbath being the entire middle third.

Looking at that statement in view of the Great Controversy; The first third consists of 3 commands on how to love God with all your heart and soul and mind; and a description of the ministry of God the Father. The last third describes the work of the Holy Spirit to change us into becoming loving and lovable people. The middle third is the key to the first and last third and ties the two sides together; that the only way we can love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves is through resting in a friendship, a relationship with our wonderful God. Resting and trusting in Him who created us. The Sabbath commandment says "Come unto me ye that are heavy laden and I will give you rest." The Sabbath commandment is the description of God the Son. The Sabbath commandment is Jesus. For those who see the truth of the Sabbath and reject it; they are rejecting the special life changing relationship with Jesus.

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Yes, the Sabbath is all about Jesus!

He is our Creator

John 1:3 All things were made by him (Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Ex. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (11)For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

He is our Redeemer Who died that we may be forgiven and "bought back" from the slavery of sin.
Revelation 5:9 Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood
Deut. 3:15 And remember that you were a slave... and that the LORD your God brought you out with a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.

He is our Sanctifier,

Ezekiel 20:12 "Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

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BABYLON IS FALLEN?

What is Babylon?
Writers in the first centuries sometimes referred to Rome as Babylon. Peter most likely refers to Rome as Babylon in 1 Pet. 5:13. Eusebius claimed that Peter composed that letter in Rome itself, which he (Eusebius) himself indicates refers to the city metaphorically as Babylon? (HE 2.15.2) An early Church "Father", Tertullian in his answers to the Jews, says: ?Babylon, in our John, is a figure of the city Rome, as being equally great and proud of her sway, and triumphant over the saints? (chap. ix)
Commentators state Babylon is Papal Rome in the New Testament:
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Matthew Poole?s Commentary on the Holy Bible says:

Most judicious interpreters, by the great city here, understand Rome, which is seven or eight times (under the name of Babylon) so called in this hook, Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 18:10,16,18-19,21; nor is any other city but that so called.

Albert Barnes? Notes on the Bible

Babylon the great. Papal Rome, the nominal head of the Christian world, as Babylon had been of the heathen world.

John Gill?s Exposition of the Entire Bible

?Babylon the great?; that is, the great city, by which name the church of Rome may well be called, because of the signification of it, confusion, its doctrine and worship being a confused mixture of Paganism, Judaism, and Christianity; and because of the pride and haughtiness of it, its tyranny and cruelty, and its sorceries and idolatry.


The Reformers saw the references to Babylon in Revelation as referring to Papal Rome. The symbolic "woman" in both Rev. 12 and 17 represent religious bodies, one pure, the other, Babylon, the harlot.

Protestant reformers were all "children" of Papal Rome, who realized "Babylon is fallen" and first tried to reform the church, but were persecuted and broke away. For a time Protestantism pursued truth in scripture, resurrecting many precious beliefs from it's pages.

SO WHAT CAUSED PROTESTANTISM TO LOSE THEIR PROTES
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The big showdown came at the Council of Trent in 1562. Would Sola Scripture become the authority of the Protestant Christian community, or would Catholic Tradition be the final authority. In the Council of Trent the Protestant position of Sola Scripture was defeated and the Catholic Tradition upheld BECAUSE THE PROTESTANTS THEMSELVES WERE UPHOLDING THE TRADITION OF SUNDAY WORSHIP.

on January 18, 1562 Archbishop Reggio came with an argument that completely took the wind out of the sails of the Protestants and won the battle for tradition over the Bible.

Originally Posted by Reggio's winning speech
"The Protestants claim to stand upon the written word only. They profess to hold the Scripture alone as the standard of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that the church has apostatized from the written word of God and follows tradition. Their profession of holding the Scripture alone as the standard of faith, IS FALSE. Proof: The written word explicitly enjoins the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath. They do not observe the seventh day, but reject it. If they do truly hold to Scripture alone as their standard, they would be observing the seventh day as is enjoined in the Scripture throughout. Yet they not only reject the observance of the Sabbath, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the Church. Consequently the claim of :Scripture alone as the standard,' fails; and the doctrine of ?Scripture and tradition' as essential, is fully established, the Protestants themselves being the judges."

he Protestants had no answer. They themselves had admitted that Sunday was a child of the Papacy, yet they were worshiping upon it, and rather vigorously upholding it, rather than keeping the Biblical Sabbath day
Originally Posted by notes on Council of Trent
]Source: Gaspare [Ricciulli] de Fosso (Archbishop of Reggio), Address in the 17th session of the Council of Trent, Jan. 18, 1562, in Mansi SC, Vol. 33, cols. 529, 530. Latin. [ Gian Domenico Mansi, ''Sacrorum Conciliorum nova et amplissima collectio"]

[col. 529] Such is the condition of the heretics of this age that on nothing do they rely more than that, under the pretense of the word of God, they overthrow the authority of the church; as though the church, His body, could be opposed to the word of Christ, or the head to the body. On the contrary, the authority of the church, then, is illustrated most clearly by the Scriptures; for while on the one hand she recommends them, declares them to be divine, [col. 530] offers them to us to be read, in doubtful matters explains them faithfully, and condemns whatever is contrary to them; on the other hand, the legal precepts in the Scriptures taught by the Lord have ceased by virtue of the same authority.... they have been changed by the authority of the church. Indeed, if she should be removed (since there must be heresies), who would set forth truth, and confound the obstinacy of heretics? All things will be confused, and soon heresies condemned by her authority will spring up again. [See No. 1444.]

Source: Heinrich Julius Holtzmann, Kanon und Tradition ("Canon and Tradition") (Ludwigsburg: Druck and Verlag von Ferd. Riehm, 1859), p. 263. German. [FRS No. 72.] [Facsimile (in the original German) below.]

The Council [of Trent] agreed fully with Ambrosius Pelargus, that under no condition should the Protestants be allowed to triumph by saying that the council had condemned the doctrine of the ancient church. But this practice caused untold difficulty without being able to guarantee certainty. For this business, indeed, ?well-nigh divine prudence? was requisite?which the Spanish ambassador acknowledged as belonging to the council on the sixteenth of March, 1562. Indeed, thus far they had not been able to orient themselves to the interchanging, crisscrossing, labyrinthine, twisting passages of an older and newer concept of tradition. But even in this they were to succeed. Finally, at the last opening [of that particular session] on the eighteenth of January, 1562, all hesitation was set aside: [Gaspar de Fosso] the Archbishop of Reggio made a speech [see No. 1443 partially posted above] in which he openly declared that tradition stood above Scripture. The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the church had changed circumcision into baptism, Sabbath into Sunday, not by the command of Christ, but by its own authority. With this, to be sure, the last illusion was destroyed, and it was declared that tradition does not signify antiquity, but continual inspiration.


The main body of Protestant reformers never did let go of Sunday worship.

Originally Posted by EGW
The papist is sharp enough to see that Protestants are deceiving themselves, willingly closing their eyes to the facts in the case. As the Sunday institution gains favor, he rejoices, feeling assured that it will eventually bring the whole Protestant world under the banner of Rome. 4SP 281


However, in the 1840's the three angel's messages began to sound!
Thanks to 7th day Baptists the 7th day Sabbath was introduced to the Adventist community, and its validity studied in scripture. Soon the message of the seventh-day Sabbath began to be proclaimed, first by a small group, then carried world-wide by the newly formed Seventh-day Adventist members. For over 175 years the call to come back to worshipping the Creator on His sanctified and blessed Sabbath, has been sounding.

The Protestant world had a choice -- a decision to make.
There were some who accepted the 7th day Sabbath, but as a whole Protestantism rejected the message and have built up a huge array of reasons to bolster their rejection of the day God asks us to remember.

What are we seeing today? The protestant movement has been declared dead and unity with Catholicism is well underway. Declarations signed
Originally Posted by Advent messenger July 8, 2017
Now in 2017 the World Communion of Reformed Churches, representing 80 million members of Congregational, Presbyterian, Reformed, United, Uniting, and Waldensian churches adopted the joint declaration with Rome.

Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, and now various Reformed Protestant Churches have united in their basic understanding and teachings of the ?gospel.?

This signing ceremony between Protestants and Roman Catholics took place in the town of Wittenberg, Germany. It was in Wittenberg that Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the Roman Catholic Church on October 31, 1517 protesting the corruption of the church. 500 years later Protestants have come full circle. And in the very place where Protestantism was born, Protestantism has died.


And Sunday legislation is agitated, both by Sunday keeping formerly Protestant churches as well as under cover of saving the planet from climate change.







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"When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. 5T 451


Protestantism severed their ties with Babylon but now the gulf created is being bridged.

Why did Protestantism arise?
When looking through the web for answers one finds things that facilitated the reformation (increased education, development of the printing press, nationalism, bibles more readily available, the renaissance) Yes, those things all facilitated the reformation, '
but what caused Protestantism to sever itself from Papal Rome, and what rendered the Protestant movement so important that people would die to promote it? And why is its downfall and reabsorption into Babylon so serious?

The Reformation sprang forth from a three fold discovery:
1. The Rediscovery of Christ and salvation only in Him.
2. The acknowledgment of the Holy Scriptures as the only ultimate foundation for religious faith
3. The discovery of the identity of Antichrist and his subversions from the prophesies


1. Salvation in Christ,
NOT in doing penance, making pilgrimages, gathering or earning merits, "saints" can't store up merits and share them with people who don't have enough merits, nor is salvation by having relatives praying and/or paying for the dead to release them from purgatory, nor in buying absolutions, not in confessing to human priests, human priests cannot forgive sins or absolve anyone of their sin. Nor does salvation come through sacraments..
The Protestant position is -- Justification comes from Christ alone. And then the justified live by faith in harmony with Christ.

BUT PROTESTANTISM has. to a large extent, ceased their protest on this key point, and have locked arms with Rome once again.

The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ) is a document created and agreed to by the Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999 as a result of extensive ecumenical dialogue. It states that the churches now share "a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ.
To the parties involved, this essentially resolves the 500-year-old conflict over the nature of justification which was at the root of the Protestant Reformation.THE PROTEST IS OVER, IT IS DEAD> The World Methodist Council adopted the Declaration on 18 July 2006. The World Communion of Reformed Churches (representing the "80 million members of Congregational, Presbyterian, Reformed, United, Uniting, and Waldensian churches"), adopted the Declaration in 2017.

2. Holy Scripture the ultimate foundation and authority on faith?
or does tradition hold a precedence over the word of God?
Scripture is the Word of God, traditions are the teachings of men and aren't necessarily bad, UNLESS they stand higher than God's word and contradict or change it.
Jesus demonstrated the evil of traditions -- "In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrine the traditions of men".
Protestants were strong on denouncing any traditions that stood in the place of the requirements of God. Matt. 15:9
The biggest blow to Protestantism's defence against tradition, and for scripture alone, took place January 18, 1562, at the council of Trent, on the Sabbath issue (also described in the previous post)
"The Protestants claim to stand upon the written word only. They profess to hold the Scripture alone as the standard of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that the church has apostatized from the written word of God and follows tradition. Their profession of holding the Scripture alone as the standard of faith, IS FALSE. Proof: The written word explicitly enjoins the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath. They do not observe the seventh day, but reject it. If they do truly hold to Scripture alone as their standard, they would be observing the seventh day as is enjoined in the Scripture throughout. Yet they not only reject the observance of the Sabbath, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the Church. Consequently the claim of :Scripture alone as the standard,' fails; and the doctrine of ?Scripture and tradition' as essential, is fully established, the Protestants themselves being the judges."

3. THE discovery of the identity of Antichrist from prophecy.
The Reformers were by no means united on all points of doctrine, and their search into scriptures by no means complete, but one thing they were unanimous on, and that was applying most of the prophecies of Anti-Christ to the Papacy. It was this clear understanding of the prophetic symbols that gave them such extraordinary courage and effectiveness to protest against Rome and to resist her tyranny, even if it meant death to themselves. The prophecies of Daniel, John and Paul were applied to the Papacy with tremendous effect.
Today Protestants are willing to clasp the hands of Catholism even though THEY KNOW they have great differences in doctrines (purgatory, penance, justification, images, Mary,) THEY KNOW that "Roman Catholics have not now adopted the Lutheran Position" THEY KNOW that the pope will never give up his stand on papal supremacy. Yet they eagerly embrace Catholicism and the pope with great reverence and honour.


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"When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. 5T 451


The three parts of spiritual Babylon represent the three main categorical divisions : Paganism, Catholicism, Protestantism.

Babylon has fallen, come out of her my people.
Many of God';s people are in Babylon -- that's why the last warning message of the three angel's is so urgent in their call for us to come out of her.

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Scripture says "Babylon is fallen" -- Babylon in which many of God's people are located. Babylon is depicted in Revelation as a "woman" symbolic of God's bride, who is fornicating with kings and promoting false doctrines.

Go on the internet and you will see "Babylon" on many websites, saying the Sabbath keeping church is presenting a false gospel. So we need to know WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL in truth?

The first angel couples the EVERLASTING GOSPEL with
1, Worship the Creator
2. Quotes from the fourth commandment in connection with worshipping the Creator
3. Announces the "hour of judgment" HAS COME.
4. And later we read a blessing on those who keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus.

Yet, I find many of those anti-Adventist websites accuse Adventists of not having the gospel and cite these very beliefs as proof because Adventists believe God created in six literal days, God sanctified and blessed the 7th day and invites us to remember that day to keep it holy, and Adventists believe the "hour of judgement" is in the heavenly courts BEFORE the second coming (As per Daniel 7)


The central point of the gospel is the birth, life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, this constitute good news and this is man's only hope." It was promised and foreshadowed all through the Old Testament, and fills the New Testament with the reality of it!
Yes, it is awesome news -- yet the question then: why isn't everyone saved and going to be swept up to heaven when Jesus comes?

Revelation gives some very urgent and powerful warnings that suggest most will NOT be worshipping the Creator God. When the crises comes it's going to be terrible for them, and worse, the second coming will be darkness and they will miss out on eternal life.

So the question --
why would people think honoring and fellowshipping with our Creator and Sanctifier on the seventh day be against the gospel? Yes, Satan has distorted the Sabbath and some just see it as rules and not a special time when we rest from our works and devote the time to our God. Of course rules don't save, but fellowship with our Savior is very much part of the gospel. The Sabbath is the very symbol of resting from our works and enjoying His saving grace.

And the judgment? Oh, how many denounce that, saying it robs them of assurance. Yet the Bible is plain that all will at some time meet the judgment. And those three angels seem to be very intense in trying to wake people up out of false security and assurance.

So what is the true gospel?

1. The cross reveals God's supreme justice against sin (Isaiah 53:4-6, 2Cor. 5:21, Romans 3:24-26)
While the cross was a horrific example of human injustice, it was also a necessary work of God?s justice. God cannot simply ignore sin, the transgressor must die, but God dealt with the sins of his people on the cross in his son. Thus we can be forgiven through Jesus death on the cross.

2. The cross reveals God's supreme love for sinners (John 3:16, Romans 5:8)

3. The cross is the power to break the chains of sin in our lives (Romans 6:22-23, 2 Cor. 5:17; Romans 8:3-8, Matt 7:21

4. Power to transform our lives to mirror the character of Christ. (2 Cor. 3:18, Col. 3:10)

5. Promise of everlasting life! (1 John 2:17, Psalms 36:9)

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A Message written in November 1900 by EGW"

"The Lord wishes all to understand his providential dealings now, just now, in the time in which we live. There must be no long discussions, no presenting of new theories in regard to prophecies that God has already made plain. The great work from which the mind should not be diverted is the consideration of our personal standing in the sight of God. Are our feet on the Rock of Ages? Are we hiding ourselves in the only Refuge? The storm is coming, relentless in its fury. Are we prepared to meet it? Are we one with Christ as he is one with the Father? Are we heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ? Are we working in co-partnership with the Saviour? {RH, November 27, 1900 par. 13}

Let all who would co-operate with God unite in proclaiming the present truth, the message of the third angel: "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Then, as the eyes of John rested upon God's people, he exclaimed: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. RH, November 27, 1900 par 14

The Powers of earth will marshal their forces for the last great battle. How carefully we should improve the little remaining period of our probation! How earnestly we should examine ourselves! We should eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God; that is, we should carefully study the Word, eat it, digest it, make it a part of our being. We are to live the Word, not keep it apart from our lives. The character of Christ is to be our character. We are to be transformed by the renewing of our hearts. Here is our only safety. Nothing can separate a living Christian from God. {RH, November 27, 1900 par. 16}

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And then there is this part of the three angel's message.
The faithful remember their Creator both by sabbath observance and caring for the wonderfully designed bodies God has given us .

N -Nutrition
E - Exercise
W - Water

S - Sunlight
T - Temperance
A - Air
R - Rest
T - Trust in God


"Medical missionary work is to be to the third angel's message as the right hand to the body." RH Mar. 16, 1905
The health reform, I was shown, is a part of the third angel's message, and is just as closely connected with it as are the arm and hand with the human body. I saw that we as a people must make an advance move in this great work. Ministers and people must act in concert. God's people are not prepared for the loud cry of the third angel. They have a work to do for themselves 1T486

"he health reform is as closely related to the third angel's message as the arm to the body; but the arm cannot take the place of the body. The proclamation of the third angel's message, the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus, is the burden of our work. The message is to be proclaimed with a loud cry, and is to go to the whole world. The presentation of health principles must be united with this message, but must not in any case be independent of it, or in any way take the place of it. {CD 75.1} C[b][/b]

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When one reads the third angel's message, one tends to draw back from these verses.

14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Remember this message, of the three angel's, is a last warning message to the world.
If we saw a big truck bearing down on a group of children playing on the road. We would be shouting and yelling, -- Get off of the road, That truck will crush your bones and mutilate you terribly, and even though I am here, I can't do anything about it. Get off the road or you will be crushed. Get off if you don't want to be mained and broken for the rest of your life."

Well, God sees something terrible bearing down on the people of this world.
So he puts the warning in alarming tones --

Christ is the ark of protection, the refuge, the life.
The choice is ours.

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The Third angels message and Matthew 13:24-30

The message that humanity will be in one or the other of two groups in the end, is taught all through scripture. The two groups grow together, both receiving God's blessings and care. But one group ends in death, while the other group is given a glorious, everlasting future with Christ!
The warnings are all through the scripture -- the ways of this world all end in destruction.
But God wants to save -- He wants to save us so much He gave Jesus to us, to die in our place and grant us pardon and life!!! He open the way so we could escape the inevitable destruction.
Some may look at the harsh results reaped by the followers of evil, as God being cruel, but no, God poured out all heaven to save us!



Originally Posted by Matthew
13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did you not sow good seed in thy field? from where then has it tares?
13:28 He said unto them, An enemy has done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
13:29 But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them.
13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
13:37 He explained this to His disciples and said, He that sows the good seed is the Son of man;
13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire:
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Matt. 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other


In the parable we see it was Jesus that planted the good seed in people. Through Jesus we can be sons and daughters of God. He didn't plant any bad seeds in anyone, only good seed.

It is through Jesus that we are changed into "commandment keeping" with the "faith of Jesus" people. (see Rev. 14:12)
That's the good seed Jesus plants within us.
These are the wheat, that receive the third angel's blessing.

But sadly there are many tares -- which apparently can look like wheat at first. They grow, receiving the care and live sustaining blessings from God during their probationary time. But they follow the wrong master.
The third angel is calling out to them like Ezekiel's message "33:11 Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, The end is NOT good at the end of the road you are travelling.
"Throughout the period of probationary time His Spirit is entreating people to accept the gift of life. It is only those who reject His pleading that will be left to perish. God has declared that sin must be destroyed as an evil ruinous to the universe. Those who cling to sin will perish in its destruction." COL 123

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"God expects those who claim to be his children to bring others to him. On every hand are opening before us many doors for the presentation of the message of saving truth. Beside all waters the seeds of truth are to be sown. To all the world?to every nation and kindred and tongue and people?the message is to be proclaimed. As those who have received the light of present truth exercise a living faith in Christ, as they labor together with him in soul winning, what a work will be accomplished! For such laborers the angels of God will open ways and furnish opportunities, and will cooperate with the human agent, that he may not run in vain, neither labor in vain.

Christ has opened a fountain for Judah and Jerusalem, and every member of his church is to show his loyalty by inviting the thirsty to drink of the water of life. A chain of living witnesses is to carry the invitation to the world. Will you act your part in this work? God calls. Will you hear his voice, and, denying self, take up the cross and follow him? As you see the peril and the misery of men and women under the working of Satan, do not exhaust your God-given energies in idle lamentations, but go to work for yourselves and for others. Arouse, and feel a burden for those who are perishing.

Sound an alarm through the land. Tell the people that the day of the Lord is near, and hasteth greatly. Let none be left unwarned. We might have been in the position of the poor souls who are in error. According to the truth that we have received above others, we are debtors to impart the same to them.

We have no time to lose." ( EGW RH Nov 12 1914)


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The following is part of a sermon by A.T.Jones on the Three Angels Message:|
1893 Sermon 3


"Let us look back a little now. The mystery of iniquity was working in Paul?s day. The apostasy
began; the apostasy went on; the church adopted Sunday; but could she compel anybody to keep
it??No. Could she bring any restrictions, any force, [73] to bear upon people who would keep
the Sabbath of the Lord, to compel them to put Sunday in the place of the Sabbath of the Lord,
so long as the church stood alone??No. But she wanted to compel people to keep it instead of
the Sabbath of the Lord. That apostate church wanted the Sunday sabbath kept instead of the
Sabbath of the Lord, and that people should recognize and observe it instead of the Sabbath.
She could not do it alone.
What then did she do to accomplish her purpose? She took hold of earthly power. She seized
the power of the State. How much power did that government represent in the world at that time?
The Roman Empire was the world power then; so the Church then secured all the power of the
world, and by that she compelled people to receive Sunday instead of the Sabbath of the Lord.
Then was it not by that act that she succeeded in definitely putting the Sunday in the place of the
Sabbath of the Lord? But what was that but making void the law of God? She took the seal of His
law, the heart of His law, that which reveals Him, the seal showing that He is what He is,?she
by force took that away, and put her own sign in its stead. What was that but supplanting God in
the minds of the people of the world? And it was by that act that she succeeded in her purpose, of
making void the law of God. That was the beast. That made the beast. We have preached all these
years that the papacy has made void the law of God. And that is correct.
Let us return now to our own time and the question that is before us. Have not the
Protestant churches kept Sunday a long time? Have they not opposed the keeping of the Sabbath
of the Lord a long time? But they could not compel anybody to keep Sunday instead of the
Sabbath of the fourth commandment. In a measure, it is true, they could enforce the observance
of Sunday in the States. But we know, and they have all confessed, that all efforts through State
laws in this direction, were almost wholly nullified by the fact that the National Government
was against it all, and we all know that one of the great reasons for their strenuous efforts to get
the National Government committed to Sunday was to make the State laws effective. Then in
order to make their purpose effective in exalting Sunday against the Sabbath of the Lord, these
churches, professed Protestantism, had to seize the government of the United States, the power
of this government, as the former apostasy seized the power of the Roman government. And
now she has got it. And in the definite act by which she got it, she aimed at the Sabbath of the
fourth commandment, to put it out of the way and to put the Sunday in its stead. Then have not
these by this definite act also made void the law of God? When the other was done that made
the beast! What is this??It is the image. Is it not time, then, for the third angel?s message to be
given in its own words? ?If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his
forehead or in his hand.?

, ?The Crisis Imminent.? What does that say??
?Something great and decisive is to take place, and that right early. If any delay, the character
of God and His throne will be compromised.? Brethren, by our careless, indifferent attitude,
we are putting God?s throne into jeopardy. Why cannot He work? God is ready. Are not God?s
workmen ready? But if there is any delay, ?the character of God and His throne is jeopardized.?
Are you living day by day, and
hour by hour, in the presence of that terrible fact that it is time for God Himself to work, if His
integrity is going to be maintained to all the world? It is a terrible fact; it is a fearful position. It
brings us to the point of such consecration as not a soul of us ever dreamed of before; unto the
place of such consecration, of such devotion, as will hold ourselves in the presence of God, with
that fearful thought that ?It is time for thee, Lord, to work, for they have made void thy law.

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In my last post, i shared a sermon from A.T.Jones .

Back in 1893 something was happening in the United States. There was a strong move to bring in Sunday laws. A.T.Jones took this very seriously and went before the United Senate to present his arguments against this.

His argument: "The principle upon which we stand is that civil government is civil, and has nothing to do in the matter of legislation with regard to religious observance in any way."

The law was defeated but not till some citizens were harassed for working on their property on Sunday.

The sobering thing about this, the Adventist church in general didn't seem that concerned.
Ellen White wrote this testimony which is MUCH MORE ABILICABLE today than even back then.

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It is our duty, as we see the signs of approaching peril, to rise to action. Let none sit in calm expection of the evil, comforting themselves with the belief that this work must go on because prophecy has foretold it, and that the Lord will shelter His people. We are not doing the will of God if we sit in quietude, doing nothing to preserve liberty of conscience. Fervent, effectual prayer should be ascending to heaven that this calamity may be deferred until we can accomplish the work which has so long been neglected. Let there be most earnest prayer, and then let us work in harmony with our prayers. It may appear that Satan is triumphant and that truth is overborne with falsehood and error; the people over whom God has spread His shield, and the country which has been an asylum for the conscience-oppressed servants of God and defenders of His truth, may be placed in jeopardy. But God would have us recall His dealings with His people in the past to save them from their enemies. He has always chosen extremities
when there seemed no possible chance for deliverance from Satan's workings, for the manifestation of His power. Man's necessity is God's opportunity. It may be that a respite may yet be granted for God's people to awake and let their light shine. If the presence of ten righteous persons would have saved the wicked cities of the plain, is it not possible that God will yet, in answer to the prayers of His people, hold in check the workings of those who are making void His law? Shall we not humble our hearts greatly before God, flee to the mercy seat, and plead with Him to reveal His mighty power? {5T 713.4}
If our people continue in the listless attitude in which they have been, God cannot pour upon them His Spirit. They are unprepared to co-operate with Him. They are not awake to the situation and do not realize the threatened danger. They should feel now, as never before, their need of vigilance and concerted action. {5T 714.1}
The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time. {5T 714.2}
The people need to be aroused in regard to the dangers of the present time. The watchmen are asleep.[5T 713-715)


Well, we may say, there's no Sunday law before the senate

No, but satan has learned a lesson -- government is civil, and should have nothing to do in the matter of legislation with regard to religious observance in any way

Let's fool those Adventists, he says, Let's bring in Sunday observance under a different name of title.

The climate change --- Sunday laws are a part of the climate change

Signs are multiply all around. Jesus is coming soon,
Is the church awake and remembering to give the three angels message, or are they adjusting to temperature of the ever heating crises

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I'd like to go through Revelation more systematically again.

SEVEN WARNING ANGELS
1st ANGEL

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Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Another angel? So this isn?t the first angel in this series? The three angels in Revelation 14, are messenger angels ? angels that come with a message. Is there a previous messenger. Moving back through chapters 13,12,11, we don?t find any messenger angels, but in chapter 10 we see a Mighty Angel with a message.

THE MIGHTY ANGEL of Rev. 10
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Rev. 10:1-8 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and [his] left [foot] on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars. And when he cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

This Mighty Angel, is not a common angel, He is the Commander of the Angelic Host, the Lord of hosts, no less a personage than Christ Himself. He has opened the little scroll, the prophecies of Daniel, and reveals what happens as people begin to study those prophesies.

He is the same Being as the One clothed in Linen, standing on the waters, in Daniel 12:6-7. He holds the book, that was sealed back then, but now is open.
This Mighty Angel, cries with a loud voice, like the roar of a lion, showing His power and authority, as victor over satan and as the Deliverer of His people,

He is about to disclose to John the events concerning the final battle leading to the implementation of His kingdom. His message is the prelude to the messages of the angels in Revelation 14.

Ellen White writes about this scene:

John heard the mysteries which the thunders uttered, but he was commanded not to write them. The special light given to John which was expressed in the seven thunders was a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels' messages. It was not best for the people to know these things, for their faith must necessarily be tested. In the order of God
most wonderful and advanced truths would be proclaimed.
The first and second angels' messages were to be proclaimed, but no further light was to be revealed before these messages had done their specific work. This is represented by the angel standing with one foot on the sea, proclaiming with a most solemn oath that time should be no longer.

This time, which the angel declares with a solemn oath, is not the end of this world's history, neither of probationary time, but of prophetic time, which should precede the advent of our Lord. That is, the people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844. (7BC 971 EGW)


And it?s at the end of all those prophetic time lines (1842 and onward) that we see the messenger angels of Revelation 14 begin their messages.

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Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The message is all about the gospel. It's a call back to everlasting gospel, that is to go to all the world! A call to return to the true gospel. A return to worship our Creator God, the God of the Bible, the One Who spoke, and it stood fast. The One Who created the earth in six literal days. The One Who has given all to restore us to our initial status as His companions, sharing His image, His character.

The time is here, it has now come, when judgment commences. The time when the evidence is laid out before the whole heavenly universe that God is good, just, loving, full of grace and totally fair and holy. Also, the evidence is presented of those who responded to the true gospel and are saved by His grace, and transformed by His Spirit, with God's law written upon their hearts and minds.
The guest list to the Lamb's wedding supper is being verified. Those who remain in the book of life, follow the Lamb in trust and obedience wherever He leads. (14:4) Jesus says concerning them; ?they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. For he that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. ? (Rev. 3:4-5) I will cover their sins and blot those sins out of the book. (Neh. 4:5, Heb.10:16,17)

2nd Angel
14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Notice that the everlasting gospel, according to the first angel, is to be preached to every nation, tribe, and people; everyone dwelling upon the earth.
Yet the next two angels have shifted the focus from the world to Babylon. They are warning people about Babylon. Is Babylon the world, with it's worldliness? Not really, because Rev. 18:4, says God?s people are in Babylon and need to get out. Babylon is not a literal city filled with wicked people who force the world to drink alcohol and engage in immorality.

Babylon is symbolized as a woman in Rev. 17. A woman symbolizes God?s church in scripture. Babylon professes to be a follower of God. But Babylon is a harlot, an unfaithful church who joins herself with the kings of the earth. Thus Babylon has the APPEARANCE of having the gospel, but having fallen, she has perverted the gospel and it's power, and is relying on human kings and governors for her power. She uses civil powers to force all nations to ?drink? her false gospel and accept a counterfeit lord and king.

instead of offering the pure water of the everlasting gospel, she is offering wine (a false gospel and counterfeit doctrines) But the people, in all nations are drunk with these doctrines -- their spiritual senses deadened, happily deceived.

The urgency of the warning is to expose the deception. Warning people who are looking for the gospel not to be drawn into a deadly counterfeit. Urging people in the deception to wake up!

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Continued from previous page

The Power of the Second Angels Message "

Babylon is fallen, but truth still needs to be proclaimed to all nations, tongues and people.

The first angel's message was being proclaimed in the early 1840's, Having mapped out the 3200 years of Daniel 8:14, the message that the "hour of God's
'judgment had come," and the sanctuary was to be cleansed and people were urged to prepare their hearts and minds to meet their Creator and Savior.
True, they mistakenly thought the sanctuary to be cleansed was this earth. They had not yet studied about the heavenly sanctuary where Jesus, our High Priest was ministering for His people. Never the less, they preached the message that the "hour of the judgment had come. They prayed together, confessing their sinners and seeking after righteousness, urging people to worship God.

But the denominational churches scoffed. They rejected the evidence from scripture that gave them a time line announcing a great change was being marked out, in the heavenly time table in relationship to the salvation of human beings. Thus they placed themselves in a position so they could not see the light of the second angel's message.

Being rejected and scoffed at by the human religious leaders as well as the common people, would discourage anyone.
But those who had heard the first angel, now heard the second, and were ENCOURAGED!
Their message urging people to be serious in their worship of God, coupled with the 2300 days, the sanctuary being cleansed, the hour of God's judgment having come, was not of human origin!

There was a great shaking! They had felt the moving of the Holy spirit in a mighty way, and seen convincing truth in scripture, would they now deny all that and go back into the fellowship of those heaping ridicule and mocking their experience?

The second angel message encouraged them to LOOK UP, don't look at earthly religious leaders, they are fallen. babylon is fallen. The Lord is leading you out of babylon! The message was heart searching, and led the believers to seek a living experience for themselves . Now they knew that they could not lean upon any scholar, or religious leader. They had to search the scriptures for themselves.
And they found it, in scripture. The timeline and the message from scripture WAS correct. But nowhere did scripture say the "sanctuary: was this earth. And Scripture plainly told them the 1st angel was not the last, they had more work to do before the second coming/ They were to dig deeper and uncover the truths babylon had hidden. They were to see the work of Christ more clearly..

During this "time of the end" beginning in 1844, it is God's intention to restore every lost or downplayed truth. --- Many truths had been rediscovered previously during the Reformation, but the Reformation faltered, even men like Luther, back tracked in several points to fit in a little better with the state church. Now again doctrines that are in clear opposition to standard mainline churches' doctrines were brought forth:
The Sanctuary
The Sabbath
Death the wages of sin and man's condition in death.
The second coming and the millennium
Creation/fall/restoration theme
All had beeen to some extent (or fully) been replaced by man's traditions and philosophies, and/or merging with pagan ideas, and the pure truth needed to be found in Scripture and understood in the light of Christ and His work in saving sinners

The Second angel's verification that "Babylon" was fallen, as well as seeing various churches' doctrines in contradiction to the voice of God in scripture, enabled those who came through the experience to find truth from scripture, for themselves. They were sure God had led them through their past experience and would lead them to fuller truth concerning doctrines and prophecy. .

The power of the second angel, alerts us that the world's explanations of the things of God are shifting sand, look to the rock, the Word of God and ask the Holy Spirit to guide the seeker to truth.


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God's commandments and the three angel's message.

The third angel's message, embracing the messages of the first and second angels, is the message for this time. We are to raise aloft the banner on which is inscribed: "The commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." The world is soon to meet the great Lawgiver over His broken law. This is not the time to put out of sight the great issues before us. God calls upon His people to magnify the law and make it honorable. {8T 197.2}

The Sabbath is a sign of the relationship existing between God and His people, a sign that they are His obedient subjects, that they keep holy His law. The observance of the Sabbath is the means ordained by God of preserving a knowledge of Himself and of distinguishing between His loyal subjects and the transgressors of His law. This is the faith once delivered to the saints, who stand in moral power before the world, firmly maintaining this faith. {8T 198}

The Lord has a work for every one of His loyal people to do to bring the faith of Jesus into the right place where it belongs--in the third angel's message. The law has its important position but is powerless unless the righteousness of Christ is placed beside the law to give its glory to the whole royal standard of righteousness. "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" (Romans 7:12). {16MR 235.2}
A thorough and complete trust in Jesus will give the right quality to religious experience. Aside from this the experience is nothing. The service is like the offering of Cain--Christless. God is glorified by living faith in a personal, all-sufficient Saviour. Faith views Christ as He is--the sinner's only hope.{16MR 235.3

The soul-saving message, the third angel's message, is the message to be given to the world. The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus are both important, immensely important, and must be given with equal force and power. The first part of the message has been dwelt upon mostly, the last part casually. The faith of Jesus is not comprehended. We must talk it, we must live it, we must pray it, and educate the people to bring this part of the message into their home life. .

As the ministration of Jesus closed in the holy place, and He passed into the holiest, and stood before the ark containing the law of God, He sent another mighty angel with a third message to the world. A parchment was placed in the angel's hand, and as he descended to the earth in power and majesty, he proclaimed a fearful warning, with the most terrible threatening ever borne to man. This message was designed to put the children of God upon their guard, by showing them the hour of temptation and anguish that was before them.
Said the angel, "They will be brought into close combat with the beast and his image. Their only hope of eternal life is to remain steadfast. Although their lives are at stake, they must hold fast the truth." The third angel closes his message thus: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." As he repeated these words, he pointed to the heavenly sanctuary.
The minds of all who embrace this message are directed to the most holy place, where Jesus stands before the ark, making His final intercession for all those for whom mercy still lingers and for those who have ignorantly broken the law of God. This atonement is made for the righteous dead as well as for the righteous living. It includes all who died trusting in Christ, but who, not having received the light upon God's commandments, had sinned ignorantly in transgressing its precepts[Early Writings 225}

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