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Re: Investigative Judgment #12930
04/23/05 11:57 AM
04/23/05 11:57 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline
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Greetings Bod D,

You know the following link is to a great study on the sanctuary. It is called "The Cross and Its Shadow" by Stephen Haskell.

This is a book that one of the Adventist pioneers wrote.

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/haskell_contents.html

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Fritz

Re: Investigative Judgment #12932
04/27/05 02:47 AM
04/27/05 02:47 AM
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Hello everyone, it is nice to be back.
I see some meaningful comments have been made here, and I would like to pull them together.

The IJ being according to the DOA; we must realize the validity of atonement; at-one-ment. This is central to the whole purpose of it. But atonement does not happen in absence of persons or abstractness (theological beliefs). This is exemplified by the fact that, if anyone should not attend to it but go about his own business, such was to be cut off. Atonement is the process where two minds and hearts are being made one. This can only be with the living. But two minds can never become one without the exchange of Judgment. Thus atonement then is but the process of Judgment. It is entirely necessary for us to see and receive his judgment (mind). So yes Atonement is judgment. In Isaiah 1:18 the Lord shows that in receiving his judgment - reasoning, we are made pure – atonement.

Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Revelation tells us that the angel is preaching the “Everlasting gospel” the good news of Salvation. He is preaching it to the living on the earth ‘saying’ …the hour of his judgment is come… to the living. He is preaching this as the everlasting gospel. As such this judgment can only be for the purpose of atonement.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

They, who thus receive God’s judgment, are those that are filled with God’s glory; which is also the great glory of the fourth angel. This, Christ is ministering from the MHP.

Are we attending in this Day of Atonement the Judgment, which is our Salvation?
Or are we going about our own business; remaining in our own judgment?

Shalom

Re: Investigative Judgment #12933
04/27/05 11:16 PM
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I agree - there is a close link between Rev 14:6 ff, the judgment and the Day of Atonement.

Regarding Rev 14:6 Ellen White says that the message is intended to focus the attention of humanity on the Creator and the sign of his creative power is the Sabbath. So the world is called to account on this as present truth. I've wondered sometimes if the emphasis on the creatorship of God in Rev 14 portends a natural disaster such as an asteriod impact. A natural dissaster rather than a man-made one would have the effect of causing people to re-think their views of creation vs evolution. Maybe God is holding back the four winds, the final trials so that His people can not only endure what lies ahead, but will be effective witnesses when the time comes.

Re: Investigative Judgment #12934
04/29/05 05:47 AM
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Nicely put, John. Nice and clear!

Piggy-backing on your thoughts regarding "at-one-ment," Christ is working as our mediator/intercessor. The purpose of a mediator is to bring two parties together. When the two parties are together, in perfect harmony, then the work of the mediator is accomplished.

Christ said, "At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you." (John 16:26, 27). Perhaps "that day" is when His work as MHP is done, and God's people actually believe the truth.

Re: Investigative Judgment [Re: Tom] #100344
06/29/08 10:30 PM
06/29/08 10:30 PM
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I am also bumping this related topic from other related ones I bumped earlier.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Investigative Judgment [Re: John Boskovic] #195083
10/18/22 01:27 PM
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This Sabbath will be on October 22, 2022 and will be a good opportunity to focus on what happened on October 22, 1844 and how it fits into the ending of the 2,200 day.year prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Investigative Judgment [Re: John Boskovic] #195098
10/21/22 12:14 AM
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An interesting little video to watch in remembrance of 1844
It's Hiram Edson's point of view in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPGrAokxAIw

Re: Investigative Judgment [Re: dedication] #195111
10/22/22 10:21 PM
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WHY SHOULD WE REMEMBER 1844


Duet 32:7
Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations. Ask thy father, and he will show thee, thy elders, and they will tell thee

As Israel was about to enter the land of Canaan, Moses, who had been their leader throughout their journey through the wilderness, gathered the people about him. Realizing that he was to go no farther with them, he admonished the people to : "Remember the days of old."
Remember how the Lord has led you, he said, Remember how he freed you from the Egyptians, remember how He parted the Red Sea, remember how He fed you with manna,, and gave you drink from a rock. Remember how He spoke to you from the mountain. Remember?.

We too, are travelers to the promised land. We have experienced God?s guidance and care, yet often the journey has been rough, this world has been a wilderness, but now we are standing on the very edge of the promised land. We know it can?t be long now, and Jesus will come to take His children home!
BUT the road immediately ahead, sure looks dark. Forces of evil are gathering, a time of trouble is looming. Some have dropped out, somehow hoping to escape the dangers ahead and find a better way. Hoping the world will give them a more comfortable way.
The question that looms in our minds when things get really rough, ?Is it worth it??
Is it worth ridicule and persecution to hold on to the truths we now believe? Do we even believe with certainty that what we believe is truth?


God?s message is still -- "We have nothing to fear for the future"?"EXCEPT." What is the exception?
"Except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us and His teachings in the past.."

The date today is Oct.22, 2022 If we were to go back in time exactly 178 years and we went out looking for a seventh-day Adventist church we would not find one anywhere, but we would find 1000?s of Adventist groups all over North America and other places, eagerly gazing up into the sky waiting for Jesus to come.

REMEMBERING 1844

It was a very bitter sweet day, that Oct. 22. They were so sure Jesus would come that day. This was the day they would see Jesus! This was the day when sickness, sorrow, violence, pain, war and death would be forever ended, and they would live forever in the beautiful home Christ had waiting for them. Morning passed, then the afternoon, as the sun set, apprehension began to creep into their hearts. Then midnight struck, and utter disappointment, grief, and perplexity overtook them. Jesus had not come. Their fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and they wept bitterly.

For a large portion of Adventists it was the end of their hopes, they renounced their faith and returned to their former lives. Others continued to set new dates, all of which also disappointed.

Meanwhile on the farm belonging to Hiram Edson, men were reviewing the ways God had led them. The wonderful peace and closeness to the Lord surely couldn?t have been all wrong. Let?s go to the barn and pray, Hiram invited the other men.
After pleading with the Lord to show them what went wrong, Hiram and a friend decided to visit other members and encourage them.

While walking through a cornfield Hiram received a revelation. ?Distinctly and clearly I saw Jesus as the High Priest, but instead of coming out of the Most Holy and coming to the earth, He was entering the Most Holy Place from the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary.?
Here was the clue. Daniel 8:14 said after the 2300 days/years the SANCTUARY, was to be cleansed. They had assumed the ?sanctuary? was this earth. Now the concept was revealed to Hiram that there was a heavenly sanctuary.

Questions flooded all their minds, and a serious group of Bible study times took place. They checked all their former calculations for the 2300 days. Yes, they were a day for year. The markers along the timeline (Jerusalem rebuilt, Christ?s anointing and death, the destruction of Jerusalem, all were faithfully fulfilled There calculations were correct! So what took place at the end of the 2300 years?

They focused on the word ?sanctuary? and from the book of Hebrews saw there was a sanctuary in heaven. Hebrews 9:23 spoke of a heavenly sanctuary being cleansed with the BETTER Blood of Christ.

SANCTUARY DOCTRINE
Why would a heavenly sanctuary need cleansing, was the next question. The group turned to the book of Leviticus and studied the day of Atonement.

Lev. 16:14-20
?(The priest shall take of the blood of the goat and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat (15) He shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins, and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation.

On the day of Atonement we see something very different from the daily rituals. Cleansing occurs for the sinner during the daily rituals, BUT only on the day of atonement does the sprinkling of blood result in cleansing for the sanctuary itself, and for the altar and for the people.

The cleansing of the sanctuary on the day of atonement presupposes that sanctuary was contaminated ?because of the transgressions in all their sins? of the children of Israel previous to this. This is not speaking of ?national apostasy? this is dealing with the regular ?salvation? model.

Modern critical scholars can?t seem to understand why there should be a new cleansing on the Day of Atonement for sins already pardoned and forgiven during the year. After all, Lev. 4:35 says of the sin offering, which a repentant sinner offers during the year that ?the priest shall make an atonement for his sin and it shall be forgiven him.? Yet, on the day of atonement ?On that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you that you may be clean from all your sins. (Lev. 16: 30)
They don?t seem to realize that on the day of Atonement, it is not only the people that are cleansed, but the sanctuary itself is cleansed BECAUSE of the transgressions and sins OF THE PEOPLE.
The primary meaning of the word ?atonement? in the old testament is ?to cover?.

David, (using a different word for ?cover?) said in Psalms 32.1, and Paul quotes in Romans 4:7 ?Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.?
So, during the ?salvation year model", the sanctuary was the place the people went to confess their sins upon the head of the sacrifice. This is where the individual?s sin was covered by the blood of the sacrifice, and he was forgiven. Yet, at the end of the ?salvation year model", the sanctuary itself must be cleansed, or ?covered? and all sin is dealt with in a final way. Thus cleansing both the sanctuary and the people who had previously repented, thus symbolizing the end of all sin. The Jews regarded the day of atonement as the day of judgement.

THE SANCTUARY AND THE SABBATH
As these early pioneers continued to study the Bible, the whole truth of the sanctuary doctrine immerged. It was through the understanding of Christ?s work in the sanctuary that the importance of the Sabbath truth arose. The Most Holy Place contained the ark, and the ark contained the ten commandments, and the Sabbath was right there in the middle of God?s commandments.
Law and grace, love and justice find their perfect balance in the sanctuary doctrine. Christ is the center?the sacrifice, the priest, the mediator, the lawyer, the judge.

IT IS BIBLICAL
Adventists have often been accused of dreaming up the sanctuary belief to save face after the great disappointment. That it really isn?t Biblical. Yet men like Hiram Edson and others spent hours studying the Bible, and praying for God?s guidance in understanding this. It was found in scripture BEFORE Ellen White was even recognized as a prophet. 1844 and the sanctuary doctrine is the foundation of the Adventist faith. If our understanding of Christ through the sanctuary picture crumbles, our whole experience as Seventh-day Adventists also crumbles.

The challenge for each of us is to gain a deeper understanding of this message. We must understand it from the Bible. If the devil can convince you that the sanctuary truth is not Biblical he will soon destroy your confidence in all the pillars of Adventism including the importance of the seventh day Sabbath. When the final crises comes, their will be no conviction that anything is wrong, just go with the ?moral? flow.

THE LIGHT BEHIND US
In Ellen White?s first vision, she saw people traveling along a narrow path to heaven. Jesus was leading the way, as long as the people kept their eyes on Him they were safe. Behind them was a bright light symbolizing the 1844 experience. Then a sad scene presented itself. Several people started to deny the 1844 experience and the sanctuary doctrine, suddenly the light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, they stumbled and lost sight of Jesus and fell of the path.
Today, on the 178 anniversary of the 1844 experience let us determine to be rooted and grounded in the truth through Jesus Christ our Lord. Remembering and yes, even celebrating how God led us in the past, as this will help us to stand firm in His strength through the rough times ahead.

By remembering we gain strength and renewed confidence, through the clear assurance of the testimony of past experience, that truly this is God's work. He has led us, individually, yes, but ALSO God raised up this church, and gave us the three angel?s message, an important message that needs to go to all the world. He will lead us safely through the difficult days before us.

It seems most fitting then, that today, when the future here on earth is filled with uncertainties, that this people should pause to look back and catch an assuring glimpse of God's providential guidance.
At this late date all too often we find former members who have turned away, they lost sight of the Light behind.
REMEMBER HOW GOD LED

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