I was sent some videos from a close Adventist friend on one of the teachers of the Sabbath School lesson on 3ABN, Ryan Day. From what I have seen from what he says in the video, as there is much, is that he feels Ellen White is just another Christian who really has no place in being listened to other than good counsel, and he is shocked to find out 3ABN wanted him out. He seems either naive or no true understanding of what his words say, especially when he says he doesnt think we need to be changed before the end and ready to come perfect before God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lK2Hs2YPcw

And there are more..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_94UB_hnFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt04xXN82tg

Look at these videos and see what you think...

It was rather a shook to hear about this.
Ryan had some pretty good sermons on 3ABN, How could this happen?
Not only does he claim he can't believe certain Adventist beliefs,(like 1844 and the sanctuary doctrine) but he has started a whole "ministry" of his own against Adventist doctrines. Yes, he says he's not attacking, only "re-thinking" Adventism, only asking questions. But by the crowd I see supporting him, it will be "attacking".

The questions are not new, they've been around for many years. I haven't seen one question yet, that would change my conviction that 1844 and preAdvent judgment are solidly Biblical.

This past week I was reviewing Revelation 10 again.
For me it's so clear. As the sixth trumpet was coming to it's end. The 1260 years having just ended (Rev. 11:3), Christ Himself announces the emergence of the Advent Movement.

There in Revelation 10, we see the formerly sealed book containing messages about "time" (Daniel), was open.
10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open:

The messenger announces there would be no more definite time after this.
10:6 that there should be time no longer:

The longest timeline was the 2300 years
Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


It was time for the seventh last trumpet to start sounding and bring in the closing events.
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished,

So what happens?
The people were to eat (study) the messages concerning time. They ate, devouring the prophetic timelines, and how sweet it all sounded -- all the time lines were reaching their end point! The longest one, the 2300 day/years was about to reach it's end. The people were sure Christ would come 1843, but with more careful calculation, in 1844. It was very sweet!
But oh the bitterness and disappointment that followed.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

It's all there outlined in Revelation 10.
10:11 Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. They had more prophecy to learn and share.
Go and prophecy again? There was more that needed to be learnt and shared.
And that "more" included the sanctuary message. The 2300 days took history to the point when the sanctuary would begin to be cleansed, not to the second coming.
The very next verse tells us what needed to be proclaimed:


They were to measure the temple, the altar and the worshippers in the temple.
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
This is judgment language, day of atonement language.

MEASURE WHAT?
measure the temple
the altar,
the worshippers therein

Look back at what was done on the day of atonement:


The temple
Lev.16:16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy [tabernacle], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation

The altar
Lev 6:18 And he shall go out unto the altar that [is] before the LORD, and make an atonement for it

The people:
Lev 16:30 For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

And notice all three: temple, altar and people are mentioned again -- cleansed on the day of atonement.
16:33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.


The beginning of the seventh trumpet sounding announces "the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,

We had a similar thing happen in one of our churchs, the person in charge of music was just concerned on getting the 'presentation' or 'acoustics' of the praise team, and then we found out he was being paid a good sum to head the music and they were starting to bring in rock and roll with electric guitars and gyrating to the beat of the rhythm, and then the leaders in the church decided to 'take out' anything with Ellen White and began to change and bring in 'Max Lucado' to replace the Sabbath School lesson. We resigned our positions and quietly left as we didnt want to begin a conflict then....

'Rethinking', reevalusting, whatever he wants to call it, he is only starting what one can see is a attack on fellow Adventist and beliefs. Now 3ABN has to bear some of the blame as Ryan admits his long standing doubt of key Adventist doctrines, like 1844. and talks about the connection to the views and actions of Allen Davis who also had issues and had to leave another ministry, Amazing Facts. He was allowed to stay as long as he didnt publically bring out what he was saying privately, but it came out in a online post. He replied to a social media post someone made quoting White on the subject of eating meat with, ?Are you aware that [this] contradicts the Bible, and therefore we are not to consider those statements inspired nor authoritative?? Now we see the video and his claim that it was a quote from Ellen White saying the truth loses nothing under close investigation that allowed him to 'rethink' basically SOP and Adventist beliefs.

We are seeing the shaking, and we will see more bright' lights' fall down before we get to the end.

Ryan's departure is sad and since he was a fairly high profile person in Adventist Media, it is receiving quite a bit of publicity. However, he is not the first, nor will he be the last.
And yes, so often those who turn against Ellen White, will use her statements urging people to study and understand from scripture what we believe, to excuse their turning against Adventist beliefs.

The methods they use to discredit EGW, if they turned them on the Bible, would soon have them discrediting the Bible as well. Atheists have their pages of "proof" that the Bible contradicts itself, just like the Anti-EGW crowd have their pages of supposed contradictions. It's the picking a sentence or two from it's context, not stopping to first consider how the topic is actually viewed as a whole, then finding something else that "seems" to contradict, and making a big deal out of it.

Ryan's "meat" post is an example: Scripture does allow the eating of "clean" flesh food. So why does EGW urge people not to eat it? Does the questioner take into consideration that animal products have changed over the centuries. Disease has spread among the animal world, they've also been injected with hormones, and vaccines, exposed to herbicides . The commercial meat industry has some pretty mega problems. Even health advisors who have never heard of EGW have raised cautions, and thousands of people have turned vegan who also never heard of EGW. So are the critics so sure God, in His wisdom for our wellbeing, has not given counsel to leave meat off the menu in the last days?


BUT a bigger question for me -- why are young adults leaving the church?
We have received lots of "methods" to try and keep them.
1. Get them involved early in the church programs
2. Make the program more relevant to living in the post-modern world.
3. Modernize the service.
4, Older members can't be hypocrites and need to be more loving.
Yet the young adults are still outside, they aren't staying.

The thing that is missing, is leading the young people to Jesus, to get to know Him, really know Him, not just about Him. All our doctrines are fully based on righteousness by faith, but too often we take for granted that people will see this. That was the problem in 1888, as the tendency was to focus on arguing the doctrine and not empathizing the foundation and very substance of the doctrine is rooted in Christ's work of salvation for mankind.

"There is one great central truth to be kept ever before the mind in the searching of the Scriptures--that is Christ and Him crucified. Every other truth is invested with influence and power corresponding to its relation to this theme. . . . The soul palsied by sin can be endowed with life only through the work wrought out upon the cross by the Author of our salvation. {FLB 50.2}

Well, what I am seeing is they are being indoctrinated and misdirected by the flood of electronic media, cellphones, IPads, TV, ect.. at a young age. So if the parents dont influence them first, the media will do it.

I noticed him missing from 3ABN and was worried that something was wrong. I hope that he is open to listen to all sides. There is evidence that supports our understanding of the 2300 evenings-mornings,

There is a lot of evidence that supports our understanding.

Right now on the internet, a lot of debating is going on over this issue. And it's not all profitable.
The problem I see goes deeper than the surface understanding.
There are two main issues that divide the more surface arguments people have over individual texts.
1. The historicist interpretation of prophecy is no longer the accepted method.
2. The concept of "once saved, always saved" has no room for an investigative judgment. To them an investigation destroys their assurance, because it contains the element of "faithfulness". In the "once saved always saved" mind, while faithfulness is preferred, it is not necessary. The unfaithful are still saved, just given "lower" rewards in the everlasting kingdom.
They don't like Rev. 17:14 Those with the Lamb are the called, chosen and FAITHFUL.