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We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/17/25 07:34 AM
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It seems Iran went out and got enriched uranium so was weeks from getting it to weapons grade of 90% and they had the missiles or bombs ready to put it into and use on Israel. So they needed to do a preemptive strike or face nuclear annihilation days or weeks away, as Iran will not stop till it gets it to nuclear weapons grade and use it. "VIENNA (AP) ? Iran has further increased its stockpile of uranium enriched to near weapons-grade levels, a confidential report by the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Saturday. In a separate report, the agency called on Tehran to urgently change course and comply with its years-long probe. The report comes at a sensitive time, as the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump seeks to reach a deal with Tehran to limit its nuclear program. The two sides have held several rounds of talks, so far without agreement. The report by the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency ? which was seen by The Associated Press ? says that as of May 17, Iran has amassed 408.6 kilograms (900.8 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60%. That?s an increase of 133.8 kilograms (294.9 pounds) ? or almost 50% ? since the IAEA?s last report in February. The 60% enriched material is a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90%. A report in February put this stockpile level at 274.8 kilograms (605.8 pounds)... Approximately 42 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium is theoretically enough to produce one atomic bomb, if enriched further to 90%, according to the watchdog. The IAEA report, a quarterly, also estimated that as of May 17, Iran?s overall stockpile of enriched uranium ? which includes uranium enriched to lower levels ? stood at 9,247.6 kilograms (20,387.4 pounds). That?s an increase of 953.2 kilograms (2,101.4 pounds) since February?s report. Iran has maintained its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, but the IAEA chief, Rafael Mariano Grossi, has warned that Tehran has enough uranium enriched to near-weapons-grade levels to make ?several? nuclear bombs if it chose to do so.." https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-iaea-uranium-7f6c9962c1e4199e951559096bcf5cc0. "..Here?s what it means to enrich uranium ? and why it raises concerns in Iran-Israel conflict According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran has enriched large quantities of uranium to 60 per cent. It?s actually easier to go from an enrichment of 60 per cent to 90 per Late last week, Israel targeted three of Iran?s key nuclear facilities ? Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow ? killing several Iranian nuclear scientists. The facilities are heavily fortified and largely underground, and there are conflicting reports of how much damage has been done. Natanz and Fordow are Iran?s uranium enrichment sites, and Isfahan provides the raw materials, so any damage to these sites would limit Iran?s ability to produce nuclear weapons." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-israel-uranium-enrichment-b2770714.html."..Iran has enriched uranium for 10 nuclear bombs, continues production A confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), obtained by The Wall Street Journal, confirms that Iran has continued producing high-level enriched uranium. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office responded, saying: "The report proves that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear weapons program. The world must stop it.... Despite ongoing nuclear talks with the United States, Iran has continued enriching uranium at a pace sufficient to yield enough material for one nuclear bomb per month, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited an IAEA document circulated to member states." https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06...r-10-nuclear-bombs-continues-production/"When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country?s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...gence-says-it-was-years-away/ar-AA1GRDPe
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/18/25 05:03 PM
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Wasn't there a similar thing some 22 years ago? March 20, 2003, the United States launched a ground invasion of Iraq, promising to end the rule of President Saddam Hussein and destroy alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the oil-rich country. Air operations had begun the night before.
I remember there was a lot of talk concerning this was a sign of the end.
Now there's talk that the leader of Iran may end up suffering the same fate as Saddam Hussain.
How people react to these events tends to depend on their interpretation of Daniel 11:40-45
To my understanding all these conflicts will eventually lead to the US and European military might over running the middle east and muslim countries. This military sweep will be influenced by the papacy and consist of a coalition of the two beasts of Rev. 13 which form the endtime "king of the north" with the woman, Christian church (papal and former protestants), of Rev. 17 directing. They will over run the middle east -- with the excuse they will bring an end to muslim threat, with possibly making Jerusalem (and start rebuilding the temple) a great center of religion under their jurisdiction.
The plan is not going to work, but it will be attempted and it will appear to be succeeding at first, and cause a short time of immense deceptions and confusion It fits the expectation of countless millions who believe Christ will come to reign in Jerusalem pre-millennial . ( christians and muslims and jews all have a version of this belief) Of course it won't be the true Christ who appears, nor will it result in peace and safety, , as the prophecy predicts, it will all fall apart quite violently, but for a short time it would be an "almost" totally overwhelming deception.
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/21/25 07:50 AM
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Well there is a interesting thing about the beliefs of the Shia of Iran as I understand it, as most Iranians are Muslims of the Shia sect. Shia belief in the apocalypse is related to the belief in the return of the Mahdi. They believe the Mahdi will come again to be directly followed by a period of chaos that will lead to the Second Coming of Christ, and in the midst of this chaos will be a battle against the False Prophet, or dajjal. So Mohammed did put in some things he learned from the Jewish Cannon and Christianity. The Quran resembles closely the Old and New Testament texts preceding it. Ant it claims Mohammed, like Christ, Moses, and Abraham, is a prophet who heard the word of God.
Shia insurgents have been drawn to the battlefield or war in other countries by this apocalyptic belief. According to Shia eschatology, the Mahdi can't come until human beings bring about the apocalypse. This can explain why Iran is always so confrontational and willing to start a war and fight. It's trying to bring about that apocalypse as soon as possible so that the end will come.
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/21/25 10:20 PM
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Coming across on the news..."President Donald Trump has announced that the U.S. has bombed three nuclear sites in Iran.
?We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan,? the president wrote on Truth Social. ?All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow.?
Fordow and Natanz both house uranium enrichment centers, while Esfahan is where Iran is believed to be keeping near-bomb-grade enriched uranium, according to The New York Times. The Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant is buried deep underground, heavily fortified and expected to contain 2,700 centrifuges, which are essential for uranium enrichment."
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/22/25 06:24 PM
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Well, the tension is definitely mounting. Iran threatened great devastation if the U.S. didn't stay out of the Israeli/Iran war , saying their involvement would have dire consequences for the entire region. Basically the threats are against the tens of thousands of US troops stationed in the middle east region, their bases and the countries that supply oil and do other business with the US. Shipping routes are critical to the whole oil industry. It is believed Iran has the capacity to block these routes, though US will use it's massive power to try and insure they stay open. There is also the fear of "sleeping cells" or pockets of immigrants and/or supporters of these Muslim powers, living in the USA who are ready to act on command.
But then Trump threatened Iran as well -- if they retaliate there will be trouble. He basically told them it would be foolish to retaliate. They need to make peace and stop . now
Only time will tell how this all unravels.
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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06/30/25 06:15 PM
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WARS, WARS, AND RUMORS OF WARS
It's all over the world. Nations all working to increase their military and weapons. Countries reinstating conscription laws to increase their militaries. Harsh measures against any that resist. Emotions running high.
Joel 3 Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack. 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, ?I am strong!? 11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side, and assemble.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
12 ?Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side. 13 Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow? so great is their wickedness!?
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
As we look further into world news, do we see a "savior" appearing? It will not yet be the coming Prince of peace, but another who will be hailed as such. And the whole world will wonder after the beast." In 1 Thess. Paul states plainly that the man of sin will continue until the Second Advent. . . . In both the Old and the New World, the Papacy will receive homage But peace will not come, yet it will bring the world into the valley of decision, just before "the day of the LORD".
This new pope Leo, is likable fellow. His words urging for peace are words we want to hear, they do have the sound of truth in their denunciation of war and call for love and peace. His warnings that this new thrust for nations to obtain bigger and better weapons will only increase " the savagery of war (that) threatens to lead the combatants to barbarities far surpassing those of former ages? is a true warning. Tens of thousands throng to hear his words. His words resonate to their heart cry for a world free of war and strife. He is giving the message of Isaiah 2:4 " beat your swords into plowshares, and your spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, there is to be no more studying of war" (Is. 2:4)
Yet Isaiah chapter two is a strange chapter. Why is it saying the opposite to what we read in Joel chapter three? One would think this idealic turn in Isaiah 2, to stop studying war, would result in God's blessings, after all there will be NO war in God's eternal restored earth. But we read that God is not pleased in Isaiah 2. Something is wrong. He is forsaking His people because they "also are full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; the land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands", they have war horses and chariots and also soothsayers and eastern worship.
The coming of the LORD won't be a peaceful time according to Isaiah 2, as we read further in the chapter, Isaiah agrees with Joel, it will be a very fearful time for the rejecters of His gift of salvation.
It's THE PEOPLE in Isaiah 2:3 that say "Many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, study war no more. But they still have all their war horses and "chariots". the land is FULL of these horses and war chariots. In Joel 3 it is the LORD speaking, when the nations gather, preparing for war, He pleads with them. It's the greatest battle when everyone's eternal destiny is decided.
1 Thess. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
That's why:
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision Joel 3:14
Many are in the valley of decision. O that the Lord will give to His servants wisdom to speak to these souls such words as shall give them courage to confess the truth and surrender their will, their heart's entire devotion, to God. We pray that the Lord will inspire with faith these souls who are convinced of the truth, to follow Christ in faith and obedience to all His commandments.
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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08/13/25 03:15 AM
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Well there is a interesting thing about the beliefs of the Shia of Iran as I understand it, as most Iranians are Muslims of the Shia sect. Shia belief in the apocalypse is related to the belief in the return of the Mahdi. They believe the Mahdi will come again to be directly followed by a period of chaos that will lead to the Second Coming of Christ, and in the midst of this chaos will be a battle against the False Prophet, or dajjal. So Mohammed did put in some things he learned from the Jewish Cannon and Christianity. The Quran resembles closely the Old and New Testament texts preceding it. Ant it claims Mohammed, like Christ, Moses, and Abraham, is a prophet who heard the word of God.
Shia insurgents have been drawn to the battlefield or war in other countries by this apocalyptic belief. According to Shia eschatology, the Mahdi can't come until human beings bring about the apocalypse. This can explain why Iran is always so confrontational and willing to start a war and fight. It's trying to bring about that apocalypse as soon as possible so that the end will come.
Yes, they have quite a belief on end time events! Only problem is, very few people in this world are awaiting the true second coming of Jesus Christ, Son of God. Lots of false versions, and yes, their beliefs (both Muslim and Christian) do influence what is happening in our world today, Though they differ, there is something that ties all false versions together --- They are all expecting A) a time of trouble and chaos, B) an antagonist (antichrist) (false messiah or prophet) C) SOMEONE to "rule on earth" in the near future, and to bring victory over their enemies for their particular people and/or establish their particular belief system. Muslims have accepted much of the Old Testament. They also hold Mary (mother of Jesus) in high honor, and regard Jesus as another very important prophet sent by God. Though they believe in a "Jesus" or ISA, the son of Mary, it is a different "Jesus" than the One in the Bible. For them Jesus is another human being as are all the other prophets. According to Muslims, Islam is the religion of Noah (Nuh), Abraham (Ibrahim), Moses (Musa) and Jesus (?Isa), and of course the later prophet they honor that brought them the Islamic religion, a religion that is based on worshipping God (Allah) alone Who has no partner or associate. According to them, Christians deviated and drifted away from monotheism and fell into polytheism as they worship Jesus as well as Allah (God). The Muslims believe that at the end of time, there will be a righteous man whose name is al-Mahdi. He will unite them and lead them in (trying to set up) a Muslim kingdom. Neither the Quran or the Sunnah say precisely when the Mahdi will emerge . The Mahdi, according to Shi'ite tradition, will arise at some point before this Jesus returns. They expect him anytime, some even believe he's already here, but others say "no". The Mahdi will ( try to establish) the Islamic kingdom of justice, But they will meet with opposition. So yes, it's easy to see some think they need to push to get this all started. This Mahdi, will in the last days fight alongside the returned Jesus against the Dajjal, the Antichrist. And what do they believe Jesus is coming back to do?The Muslims are awaiting Jesus son of Mary from heaven, to break the cross, kill the pigs and kill his enemies among the Jews and those among the Christians who worship him.1. "Break the cross"? ?He will invalidate Christianity through actually breaking the cross and will refute the Christians? allegations regarding what they believe it stands for." The Quran does not deny the historicity of the crucifixion per se ? as ?it was made to appear? that such an event took place ? but it denies that Jesus died on the cross. Instead (in their writings) a likeness of Jesus was placed on a young man. Jesus, Himself he was lifted into heaven by Allah. And the Jews hauled the young man that looked like Jesus to the cross. The whole concept of an "atonement sacrifice" is totally contrary to Muslim belief. This "Jesus" they are expecting is supposedly coming to refute Christianity's belief in " Christ our passover Who is sacrificed for us. (1 Cor 5:7) Sadly there are Adventists who deny the need of Jesus sacrifice just as surely as do the Muslims. They sound more Muslim than Adventist in, that reformation alone in the life is what is needed, there is no need for Jesus to actually take our punishment and die for our sins. 2. Kill the pigs -- well, that's not a big problem as far as Adventists are concerned -- But strangely, even though Scripture asks us not to eat pigs, yet wasn't it satan that killed all the pigs in Matt. 8, when given permission, in an effort to turn people against Jesus? 3. kill his enemies among the Jews and those among the Christians who worship him. This "Jesus" or Isa, will kill everyone, Jew or Christian who worships Him, and acknowledges Him as God with the Father. Sadly there are some among Adventists that would agree rather closely with the Muslims on that point as well, the anti-trinitarian belief that only God the Father is true God. 4. He will go after the antichrist or (false Messiah/prophet) called the Dajaal to slay him. While supernatural attributes are expected to be displayed, it is all still very human war. Quite a different scenario than what Adventists believe -- and hopefully they won't be deceived on the other three points either. Also, "Isa" will not be alone but have companions to help him. --------- In all these different belief systems The supernatural is involved. Supernatural beings coming to control things on earth. They all have a time of "trouble" "chaos" "chastisement" : They have an antagonist "antichrist of some type" who will be defeat . They all have a hoped for resolution after all the trouble, the world settles in some kind of peace and prosperity, under a "just and righteous" ruler. They all have FORCE as the means by which the world will be brought into submission. NONE of them have Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven as King of kings and Lord of lords, to take His people, the ones (from all ages) who have willingly chosen Him, to heaven, to live with Him in joy, happiness and peace for a thousand years.
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Re: We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.
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Walter Veith gives some thought challenging views on this war! War With Iran, Is The World At Stake? #245 When you see these things happening, Look up for your redemption draws near.
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