Sealed or in the process of being sealed?

According to Paul's writings the Holy Spirit is sealing us == a process (2 Cor. 1:22, Eph. 1:13) yet he states it in a manner that says, when we are in the sealing process, we are sealed.
"ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

However during the sealing process, it is still possible to turn our backs on the Holy Spirit, and become "unsealed".

The latter rain is poured out on those who whole heartedly accept the Holy Spirit's sealing work. Yet, the final irrevocable seal (he that is righteous let him be righteouse still, he that is filthy let him be filthy still...) is not "locked in" irreversible until probation closes, and Christ leaves the sanctuary, and that takes place AFTER the loud cry, not before.

So I don't think they have that irreversible seal yet in the sequence of the vision.

Blessings Mark,

I have been blessed by much of what you've said. But, the Daniel 11 quote seems to be the wrong time frame for the Shaking vision of Ellen White. Daniel 11:35 mentions the "time of the end" as future. We know 11:40 marks the actual "time of the end".

Whereas as the Shaking definitely takes place after the time of the end. The Shaking still hasn't taken place in its fullness.

I also agree with Rick that the sealing had taken place, but, that the National Sunday Law played a part in that sealing and that they won't be able to fall anymore. Or, what does being sealed mean?

After their being sealed they are those who deliver the Loud Cry.

Yes, once they are sealed there is no point in allowing Satan to take them, otherwise what is the point in sealing them. Once they are sealed, nothing can take them from God even if they die during the end time which will be beyond what we can imagine. They will await the resurrection or the lifting up into the clouds when Christ appears...(As for me, I am just a humble servant that preaches as I am asked, lay pastor at best)

During the process, maybe, but not once its done.

So, what do we believe about these very end times?

Once God's people are sealed, can still fall into sin?

About how long will it be from the National Sunday Law in the USA to the Second Coming of Jesus?

Even though we can't realize when Probation closes, what are some of the earliest indications we should notice that Probation has in fact closed?

What do you all believe?

I'm a little confused about the sealing. In some ways, it sounds like a corporate event: the entire Church is finally sealed simultaneously, as one body. However, if I understand the judgement taking place right now in the Most Holy; it begins with the Church and the case of each person is decided individually.

When an individual's case is decided, their eternal destiny is finally determined.
After this occurs each person is irrevocably either lost or saved.
Is this the sealing? If it is, the sealing is not a corporate event, but a gradual process completed only when each individual case is decided.

Therefore, could it be said that Probation is 50% or 75%, as the case may be, closed?

Interesting questions.
I have never understood the sealing as a "corporate" event.
When I read "God's people will be sealed" I understand it as individual sealing of the people who have fully chosen to belong to Christ.
These are individuals who are settled into the truth as it is in Jesus, so they cannot be moved,

To me, any idea that God removes the power of choice from His people is a wrong view of the sealing. The choice is always given to each individual. However, when a person is settled into the truth as it is in Jesus and are fully committed, they will be upheld by the Holy Spirit, to stand firmly for Him.

I don't believe in two dates for probation to close -- one for the church, another for the world.
When Christ leaves the sanctuary, that's when probation closes and there is no more opportunity to change. However, for those who have had much light (church members) but have not taken it seriously preferring to have one foot in the world and the other in the church, they will make their final irrevocable choice before the actual close of probation. In that sense, for them probation has closed early.
That's what the shaking is all about -- church members will be in a position where they have to make their final choice. Many will be shaken out, and it will be next to impossible to turn back, even though probation has not yet officially closed. Hebrews 6:4-6 would apply to them. They have closed their own probation.

Whereas many of those who have not known the truth but have followed Christ and what they know of truth with sincere hearts will respond and fully commit themselves to Christ in the last minutes of probation.

The work of preparation is an individual work. We are not saved in groups.

We are sealed one by one, as Gods Word says, 'In whom ye also trusted', that is not corporate....

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Here is a video from Walter Veith where he lays out the shaking ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGiwifvcdFA

When the death decree is universally agreed upon, God's people will know probation has closed.



However, the close of probation will not be anticipated by all. They've heard it all so many times.
" They became weary of waiting and watching. They had been disappointed in their expectations before as they had heard people proclaiming the end was at hand for many years, whenever a crises loomed, and things had always returned to relative normal conditions again, and that might be again. They concluded there was time enough yet to arouse later. For now they would be sure and not lose the opportunity of securing an earthly treasure. It would be safe, they reason, to get all of this world they could.
So they ignore the signs, compromise somewhat to accommodate their earthly pursuit, and while they bury themselves in their worldly goals, the work closed in the heavenly sanctuary, and they were unprepared." (Adapted from "Testimonies for the Church" page 15)

Could this happen? Could people who know the end time signs reason them away when they start to take place? Could Sunday laws be enacted all around us, and could we dismiss them because those laws, though highly inconvenient, don't directly force us to dishonor the fourth commandment Sabbath yet?
Once "the degree goes forth that they must disregard the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and honor the first day, or lose their lives" it will be too late.