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Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Daryl] #131460
03/05/11 08:03 PM
03/05/11 08:03 PM
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Many SDA's have accepted the present truth of the Lunisolar Sabbath...
...The facts of our Sanctuary Truth confirmed by Sister White.
...Leave zero doubt as to this calendation.
...It is the ONLY way possible for Jesus to have died on the Cross at the Jewish Passover in 31 A.D.

I would urge watching the series of videos up to at least part 5 with your Bible open and follow along...
...It's impossible to duplicate what's in the Bible with the Gregorian.

Last edited by cephalopod; 03/05/11 08:05 PM.
Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: cephalopod] #131465
03/06/11 02:46 AM
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I've been studying this a bit, and it does appear from some people's reckoning that the Sabbath coincided with Passover (e.g. a "high Sabbath") in the years 30 and 33 AD. Having begun looking at the evidence, I'm beginning to wonder if our traditional reckoning of AD 31 is slightly off, and it should be AD 30 instead. I have tried searching for any mention of the year AD 31 in Mrs. White's writings, and so far have come up empty.

However, the weekly Sabbath was never changed in the Gregorian calendar. It has always been the seventh day of the week.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Green Cochoa] #131469
03/06/11 05:31 AM
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Sister White confirmed that Jesus died in 31 A.D. on page 327 of the Great Controversy.

It's true that a Passover coinciding with a Gregorian Friday is not possible within the Gregorian Calendar for 31 A.D....
...However without a 31 A.D. Passover death for Christ the Sanctuary Doctrine falls apart.
...It's also true that there was not a loss of days between the Julian and Gregorian calendar systems.

33 A.D. is the date most scholars claim simply because the Passover that year allowed for a Gregorian Friday...
...As well as massive astronomical events.
...Which took place on that Friday as well as a massive earthquake.
...Backing up 33 years there was also massive events in the stars.
...As well as 9 months prior to that.


I ordered the following movie and then purchased the software...
...Would it not be for the Prophetic assurance of Sister White.
...I would be forced to believe Jesus died in 33 A.D.
...There is just too much evidence for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5eybnbrO_M

If you have been looking into this you may have already read the 12 points or facts from the following site.

http://www.4angelspublications.com/pdf/12_Criteria.pdf


Last edited by cephalopod; 03/06/11 05:55 AM.
Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: cephalopod] #131470
03/06/11 06:24 AM
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Thank you. I thought she did say something about AD 31 somewhere, but could not find it. However, I'm still not clear on it, even from her statement. It's not that I doubt the veracity of what she says, it's just that it may be open to interpretation. For instance, she gives the year of Jesus' baptism (AD 27) and the year that finished that seventieth week (AD 34) as well, and Christ was to have died in the middle of that week. But the middle comes after three and a half years.

27 + 3.5 = 30.5
30.5 + 3.5 = 34

I have seen some years in history given in the form of 30/31. Could it be that the 31 is rounded up from 30.5, but that the actual year was somewhat in between or a cross of these two years? I am not much of a historian to understand all of this calendar stuff, but I know enough math to see easily that 27 -> 31 -> 34 would be first adding four years, and next only three. However, Christ was to have been crucified right in the middle, or 3.5 years into that "week." So was it actually AD 30, but part way into the year such that the Jews (who never rounded down but always up) would have rounded it up?

This all seems so complicated.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Green Cochoa] #131473
03/06/11 02:48 PM
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Ceph, do you observe the Sabbath on the same 7th day of the week the rest of us do?

Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Mountain Man] #131475
03/06/11 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Ceph, do you observe the Sabbath on the same 7th day of the week the rest of us do?

wave Hi Mountain Man,

A move in Australia to confuse people which day is the seventh day Sabbath, are printed calendars starting the week on a monday (the Second Day of the week.)

God bless,

shocked johannes.



Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Green Cochoa] #131478
03/06/11 04:08 PM
03/06/11 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

Thank you. I thought she did say something about AD 31 somewhere, but could not find it. However, I'm still not clear on it, even from her statement. It's not that I doubt the veracity of what she says, it's just that it may be open to interpretation. For instance, she gives the year of Jesus' baptism (AD 27) and the year that finished that seventieth week (AD 34) as well, and Christ was to have died in the middle of that week. But the middle comes after three and a half years.

27 + 3.5 = 30.5
30.5 + 3.5 = 34


From the William Miller & Incarnation of Elijah time chart Sister White confirmed...
...The time hack for that period goes from 27 - 34 A.D.
...A period of 7 years / days = one week / day per year.
...3.5 days = 3.5 years counting from 27 A.D. / the line between the Old and New Covenants
...3.5 years results in a 31 A.D. Passover death for Christ.
...The Sanctuary Truth rests totally on that.

The 490 days / years terminated in 34 A.D....
...With the death of Stephen ( the 1st Martyr since Michael )

Remember, the calendation used by Incarnation of Elijah was not the Gregorian or Julisan...
...Incarnation of Elijah discovered calendation allowed for 3.5 years starting at 27 A.D.
...To reach Nisan 14/15 of 31 A.D.

Last edited by cephalopod; 03/06/11 04:17 PM.
Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: Mountain Man] #131479
03/06/11 04:13 PM
03/06/11 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

Ceph, do you observe the Sabbath on the same 7th day of the week the rest of us do?


At times I certainly do.

Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: johannes] #131480
03/06/11 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Johannes

A move in Australia to confuse people which day is the seventh day Sabbath, are printed calendars starting the week on a monday (the Second Day of the week.)


I was unaware a group of SDA's suggesting lunar sabbaths exists in Austrailia...
...Do you have information on them, the size of the body, etc?

Re: 19 - The Sabbath [Re: cephalopod] #131481
03/06/11 04:26 PM
03/06/11 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

Christ was to have been crucified right in the middle, or 3.5 years into that "week." So was it actually AD 30, but part way into the year such that the Jews (who never rounded down but always up) would have rounded it up?

This all seems so complicated.


Forget about the Gregorian calendar when looking at this subject...
...Use the calendar Incarnation of Elijah used that Sister White confirmed.
...It exactly lines up.

The problem is thinking in the terms of the Gregorian, once you see how simple the lunisolar calendar is...
...And follow it through the early SDA time prophecy chart.
...And read Sister's White's confirmation of it. I assure you, you will get it.

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