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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90606
07/16/07 03:11 PM
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When did a human become the authority in deciding what the Creator has and has not done?


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Darius] #90607
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Well, aren't you also human?

Why was it that you seemed to be the authority in whether or not the Bible is the inspired written Word of God?


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90609
07/16/07 06:46 PM
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I simply pointed out the folly of defining a word very narrowly in order to fit a doctrinal position. There is not law that anyone MUST do what is wise.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Darius] #90614
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In what way was what word defined very narrowly?


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90615
07/17/07 01:26 AM
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You have narrowly defined inspiration. To do so you have changed a text that says "All Scripture is given by ihspiration of God" into "Only the Christian Scripture is given by inspiration of God." This is a misuse of the biblical text and the only result can be confusion.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Darius] #90616
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If we were to go along with your line of thinking about "All Scripture", then I guess we can also refer to the writings of EGW as part of this "All Scripture" reference, to which I would disagree, as EGW herself refers to her writings as the lesser light leading to the greater light, which she refers to as the Bible.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90617
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"EGW herself refers to her writings as the lesser light leading to the greater light, which she refers to as the Bible."

Show me where EGW ever referred to the Bible as the greater light. Please do.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Darius] #90619
07/17/07 04:25 PM
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Here is the quote I was thinking about:
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Relationship of E. G. White Writings to Bible--The Lesser Light.--Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light.--The Review and Herald, Jan. 20, 1903. (Quoted in Colporteur Ministry, p. 125.) {3SM 30.4}

The lesser light in this quote is in reference to the writings of EGW leading to the greater light in this quote is in reference to the Bible.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90653
07/19/07 05:55 PM
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Daryl, you are reading into the quote something that is not there. It is your opinion that the greater light is the Bible. EGW did not say that. The fact is that both the Bible and the lesser light point to the greater light. That is what she is saying. The greater light is Christ.


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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)? [Re: Daryl] #90654
07/19/07 07:58 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Here is the quote I was thinking about:
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Relationship of E. G. White Writings to Bible--The Lesser Light.--Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light.--The Review and Herald, Jan. 20, 1903. (Quoted in Colporteur Ministry, p. 125.) {3SM 30.4}

The lesser light in this quote is in reference to the writings of EGW leading to the greater light in this quote is in reference to the Bible.

While it is true that as long as Jesus was in the world he was the Light of the world John 9:5. He being the True light has had lesser lights such as John the immerser to show the way to him; John 1:8-10 "that was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

Jesus himself said "I am come a light into the world" John 12:46

In 2 Corinthians 4:3-5 it says "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

We also have our lights that we are admoished to let shine and not hide under a bushel Matthew 5: 14-16 .

Philippians 2:15 says: "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;"

So we could say that Jesus is the Greater Light, but he is no longer in this world, so his people are a lesser light to shine out his Truth to the world; of the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord.

As David said, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

But I have to agree with you here Daryl that in the quote you have given, Ellen appears to be speaking of her writtings leading back to the reading of the Bible. (her writings as well as the Bible lead to Jesus).

Reading the quote of Ellen it in it's context helps shed some "light".

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Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction that during her life-work God has been giving her. They contain the precious, comforting light that God has graciously given his servant to be given to the world. From their pages this light is to shine into the hearts of men and women, leading them to the Saviour. The Lord has declared that these books are to be scattered throughout the world. There is in them truth which to the receiver is a savor of life unto life. They are silent witnesses for God. In the past they have been the means in his hands of convicting and converting many souls. Many have read them with eager expectation, and, by reading them, have been led to see the efficacy of Christ's atonement, and to trust in its power. They have been led to commit the keeping of their souls to their Creator, waiting and hoping for the coming of the Saviour to take his loved ones to their eternal home. In the future, these books are to make the gospel plain to many others, revealing to them the way of salvation. {RH, January 20, 1903 par. 8}

The Lord has sent his people much instruction, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. O, how much good would be accomplished if the books containing this light were read with a determination to carry out the principles they contain! There would be a thousandfold greater vigilance, a thousandfold more self-denial and resolute effort. And many more would now be rejoicing in the light of present truth. {RH, January 20, 1903 par. 9}

My brethren and sisters, work earnestly to circulate these books. Put your hearts into this work, and the blessing of God will be with you. Go forth in faith, praying that God will prepare hearts to receive the light. Be pleasant and courteous. Show by a consistent course that you are true Christians. Walk and work in the light of heaven, and your path will be as the path of the just, shining more and more unto the perfect day. {RH, January 20, 1903 par. 10}
Regarding what Ellen says regarding her writings; They contain the precious, comforting light that God has graciously given his servant to be given to the world. From their pages this light is to shine into the hearts of men and women, leading them to the Saviour. . . . Then she goes on to say, Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. O, how much good would be accomplished if the books containing this light were read with a determination to carry out the principles they contain! Is she not talking about her books here as a lesser light then the Bible the greater light of our path to the Creator?

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