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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/07/06 08:26 PM
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I don't think that Christ had to receive a "breath of life" like other human beings. He was life in Himself. Divinity did not die, but it must have remained unconscious in the tomb. It did not go to heaven.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/07/06 10:40 PM
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How can divinity be unconscious? Christ the human being had a "breath of life" like any other human being.
When EGW wrote "the spirit of Jesus slept," she didn't mean anything different than for any other human being. In fact, her whole point in saying this was to make clear that neither the spirit nor the soul of a human being has a disembodied existence. If she were speaking of Christ's divinity, she could not have made this point.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/07/06 10:42 PM
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Thanks, Mark, for the response.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/07/06 11:44 PM
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Mark, man was created as a human. He never was a spirit and never had a spirit. Man was never a spirit being. This is why he is out of his depths fighting with spirit beings.
Sorry about that quoting mix-up, Tom.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 12:04 AM
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I couldn't find the RH reference.
The EGW website was not working this morning, so I used a reference of an article by Gane I had saved to my HD. But in fact the reference seems to be wrong.
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I think the spirit referred to must be here must be the spirit of Jesus the man
Jesus did not receive a breath of life.
“'In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.’ It is not physical life that is here specified, but eternal life, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual received. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Lifegiver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. ‘I lay it down of myself,’ He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived.” (ST Feb. 13, 1912). {5BC 1130.3}
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This "slept" referred to here is the sleep of death. Divinity cannot die, so this can't be referring to Jesus' divinity.
Nowhere is it said that our spirit “sleeps” in the tomb. It is said that “the spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved.” But, in relation to Christ, it is said that “all that comprised the life and intelligence of Jesus remained with His body in the sepulcher”. Does all that comprise our life and intelligence remain with us in the sepulcher? Of course not. Christ’s life was derived from His divinity, not from a breath of life. Therefore, what “slept” was His divinity. And this does not mean death, but voluntary unconsciousness.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 02:34 AM
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Good observations. I'm still thinking about it but your interpretation of the passage seems reasonable.
So what is the significance of Christ's final words, 'into thy hands I commend my spirit'? Since Christ had original life in himself, then he was referring to something else other than the breath of life, agreed?
Kubuli, what you say about being out of our league is one of my main points on the election thread.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 05:56 PM
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Mark, if that is you main point there is no need to add to it this false idea of man being a spirit or having a spirit. It is always good to stick to what is true.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 08:32 PM
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Rosangela said, Quote:
Jesus did not receive a breath of life.
Certainly He did! Otherwise He wasn't truly, fully human. The quotes about Him having life in Himself are of course also true, but they refer to His divine side; His existence from all eternity. But on His human side He was just like we are, except that He never sinned. His human nature was "identical with our own" {6MR 110.1}. "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same;....He took on Him the seed of Abraham." Hebrews 2:14,16.
Every child of Abraham has the breath of life from God, so of necessity Jesus did as well. Paul in Hebrews, and John in his Gospel and Epistles, both stress the fact that Jesus was a real human, just like us except that He never gave in to the clamors of His fallen nature, He never sinned. But in every other respect He was just like we are on the human side, a fact that EGW also affirmed hundreds of times.
"Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe His prophets, so shall ye prosper." - 2 Chronicles 20:20
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 09:32 PM
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John, Tom, she has a point though about unborrowed life. Let's think about this a bit more.
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Re: What is the spirit of a man?
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07/08/06 09:38 PM
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It conflicts directly with "Did Jesus die for our sins or not" You can't be partially dead.
God Bless,
Will
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