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Will our pets be restored to us in heaven and/or on the New Earth? My answer is that the Bible seems to be silent on that. If you know of a Bible verse that answers this question, I am most interested that you share it.

Maybe we could take some time to consider what is meant by "the former things shall not be remembered nor brought into mind."

Evangelist Steve Wohlberg wrote a book about this very thing after he did research on the subject. He watched one day while his favorite little dog ran under the wheels of a truck. I understand that the book has been on sale at the ABC Stores. I have meant to look for it and I will now as soon as I can.

He feels that they will be and maybe he can give us his reasons in the book. Darius, yes, the Bible does say that the former things will be wiped away---Is this speaking in connection with our tears being wiped away because all of our loved ones will not be there?. If everything were forgotten then we would not even know the same loves that we have here on this earth--according to Sister White we will know one another. I know that we can not really know what heaven will be like. But we will have animals in heaven. "THe lion will lay down with the lamb"--or is that symbolic?. I don't know. But if, according to the Bible and Sr. White "we will have the joys of our heart"---well, just maybe!! I often say that I will not care about the mansions--I only want a block of green grass where my family and friends can all sit together and talk with Jesus. Think maybe I could also have my pets?

What is the title of this book?

Summertime, I just find it intriguing that we would think that we won't remember the illicit relationship we wanted to have with the nice looking human down the street but we will remember that we had a dog that liked to lick our face. Intriguing.

I thought it was only the evil and sinful acts that we would no longer remember.

I don't see anything evil and sinful about remembering our pets, therefore, I do believe we will remember them as we will remember and know one another in heaven and later on the New Earth.

There may be a problem between individuals and their pets, with idolatry of the pet. A safe example would be the mumified animals found in large numbers around egyptian gravesites while also remembering that the large part of the egyptian parthenon was half animal, half human.
There are today people who have distorted views of their pets aswell. In a school debate on values, someone told me that if being in a burning house and having an equal chanse of saving either their pet or a stranger (or even if it was easier to save the stranger), they would choose to save the pet and let the person burn.

(NOTE: I do not know nor do I claim that any of the above is true for anyone who has participated in this thread)

Could that also explain why there will not be marriages, weddings, etc. in heaven?

But then, that could become another topic in itself.

Of course any person, from anywhere would be more important than any animal, any place. To save an animal in place of a soul for whom Jesus died, would be contrary to the whole plan of salvation. I just think that, in addition to mansions, and golden doorknobs and streets of golden glass,, that having our pets there also might be an added bonus. I am still trying to find the name of the book written by Steve Wohlberg. If I find it I will post it. 'summertime'

PS I still have hopes that I will have my little dogs, (or at least replicas of them) in heaven. I will just have to talk to Jesus about that.

I think the title is something like: Will Our Pets be in Heaven. I have the book and have read it and he does give good sound reasoning that animals will be with us, not just as given in the Bible, such as the lion will lie with the lamb, but even our pets.

Will have to get the book down from my shelf and share it.

Having just lost my kitty less than a month ago the thoughts of having him with me on the new earth was upper most in my heart. I cannot see if the lions and lambs are going to be there why not our pets.

The question is will God restore the animals that lived on this earth or will He create new ones? If creation waits for the redemption of man, then I would believe that they would be restored once man has been restored with their bodies and on the new earth.

We lost our four precious cats over the years; Princess, the mother of three kittens named Prince (all white like his mother), Silver, and Tiger.

We miss them dearly, and would love to see them and have them with us for all eternity.

Well, we know for sure that there will be animals in heaven.

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Wolves and lambs will eat together in peace. Lions will eat hay like oxen, and a snake on the ground will not hurt anyone. They will not hurt or destroy each other on all my holy mountain," says the Lord.
Isaiah 65:25 NCV

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Although it is true that Jesus did not die to save our pets, there is a promise in the Bible that could give us some hope for them to be there.

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But as it is written in the Scriptures: "No one has ever seen this, and no one has ever heard about it. No one has ever imagined what God has prepared for those who love him."
1 Corinthians 2:9 NCV

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I would not be surprised if the was a little mansion for my former dog in heaven, but I doubt I would be disappointed if there was not either.

As to the discussion of the former things, perhaps this will help…

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He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death, sadness, crying, or pain, because all the old ways are gone.
Revelation 21:4 NCV

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The former things are the old ways of the world. There will be no more death, theft, cheating, lies, covetousness, hate, anger, lust, or pain – in other words, the old way of the world will be gone; that does not mean that everything that was in the world will be gone (our relationships, our love of God, and so forth).

Mariage (Adam and Eve) was created by God, was this a BAD thing?? If so then God made a mistake, if not, then WHY would there not ber mariage in Heaven?? Yes Daryl this should be another topic!? thanks

We have had a great Friend, Buddy, for the past 11 years. He was born in BC and when we lived there, we got him. What a personality! one of the most, if not the most, amazing cat I have ever seen. Buddy has always been a big and active cat (just around 20 pounds) This is the hardest few days that I have ever had, it is hard to look at the calendar because on Monday we will have him euthanized. Buddy developed diabetes about 6-9 months ago and we have been faithfully injecting him morning and night, but alas he is not living a quality life. buddy exists and that is about all. he goes from his water dish to his food dish to his catbox. as for if the lord will raise our pets or recreate them in the new earth, THAT IS UP TO HIM! All we can do is ASSUME and put in our 2 cents worth. My reason for posting this message is not to be confrontational but rather to post this as a memorial of my pet cat BUDDY. We have a wonderful dog Sammy, a cat Patches and at my parents house a cat Kiki. these pets have been amazing for our family, our dog actually saved my mothers life! but that is another story. I am amazed that some people, even a Pastor, have told me that pets are not advised to have because they are an extra expense! imagine that, eh!?
thank you for this forum and for allowing this rambling post.
Buddy Richards, 1995-2007. faithful cat, faithful friend.

Dan, yeah, my prayers are with you. I'm sorry. In the following passage, the phrase "the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" could be interpreted to mean animals, including our pets, will be resurrected with us.

Romans
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,
8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

BBD my heart goes out to you. Been there done that and it never gets easy. And you may be interested to know that it's not easy on the vet or the nurses either. My wife works at an animal clinic and tears up telling me of pets they have to euthanise. Those animals become part of our lives, our families, indeed they are family. I wish you all the comfort that only He can give.

Redfog

I read a very good article in Guideposts not long ago that supported resurrection or recreation of, our pets in heaven. I certainly hope so! I have been blessed over and over by very important four legged family members.

We had a dear all white cat from birth that we named Prince.

I had to take him to the vet and have him put to sleep as he had cancer of the mouth and could no longer eat or even drink. Up to that time he was, otherwise, a strong and vibrant cat.

I held him as the vet gave him those needles that eventually put him to sleep.

It was the hardest thing I ever did.

I remember taking our cat back home to bury him. It was a very teary eyed experience.

We have been promised that we shall see our loved ones in heaven.My dog has become one of my loved ones.
Have any of you considered that Dog is God spelled backward?
I find this interesting.
At this writing my beloved doberman/boxer/bull is desperately ill. I have been feeding her baby food from a straw for weeks. She broke her shoulder after limping around from a rattle snake bite. She has been my constant companion dog helping me as I am partially disabled. She has been a surrogate guardian angel to me and has saved my life many times.I have many folks praying for her recovery. God is the only vet I have access to and I need a miracle for her.She is only 10 years old and if she dies, the ground is frozen I will say no more.
Before all of you wax theological please remember my beloved Crystal Velvet Rooster Horse Monkey velvet child in your prayers.
She has kept a next of drug dealers at bay, creating fear in their hearts of breaking into my home.She is all I have I live alone and there much evil abound.
In tears,
Laughingdove is not laughing tonight

Laughindove,

We have a Father who is interested in our problems. His name is Jehova-jire, "the Lord will provide," or "the Lord will see to it." I'll be praying for you and your dog.

The animals were not created to die, it was because of the fall of man that they also had to taste death, and we know there will be animals as the following tells us... Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Will all the carnivorious animals in heaven still eat other animals? Or will they never need to eat again? Is that what this passage is about? Otherwise, how can a lion lay down with a lamb, unless it's for dinner?

Crystal Velvet Rooster Horse Monkey that's quite a name. Sorry to hear she isn't doing well. Pets can be such an important part of our lives. Will pray for her.

Apparently God would have been the first one to kill an animal as He provided clothing to Adam and Eve. Animals created for immortality is one topic we do not know anything about. If rabbits were immortal, we would all have rabbits up to our ears having to swimm through them or walk over them. We could propably also walk over the pasific ocean above a dense matt of alive rabbit.

This could take us into a different direction, or on to a new topic, however, seeing there will not be procreation amongst humans after being resurrected and/or translated at the Second Coming of Christ, I would expect the same would also be true of the animals after the Second Coming.

re: all those names
The native americans had a way of giving names according to the character,personality or achievements of the person that carried the name. Often they were extensive.
Crystal: nothing pretentious. what you see when she gazes at you in adoration is very clear
Velvet: she is like an animated velvet stuffed toy but warm and huggable
Rooster: I could tell her "In the morning get me up early when it is day" or "In the morning let me sleep I will wake you"
She always knew the difference. She had a way of warning me when a storm was heading in and would insist we go to the basement.(we get tornadoes frequently)
Horse: about the size of a minature horse very strong.(85 pounds)All I had to do was say help! and she was right there.She would get me off the floor if I was down,escort me up stairs and supervise walks.
Once we were accosted by a wolf/mastiff kept as a pet by someone in the area. It was stalking us.She would scan the horizon for any chance of incoming danger. She would drag me to the curb if a car was coming long before it was in sight.She would carry things and put them where I told her.Many times she would quietly lead me to a door and let me know someone was on the other side not knocking and then she would get between me and the door and quietly watch the door knob. One could see go ahead make my day written plainly from her body english.
Hmmmm.... how many spouses are that efficient???? (smile)
Monkey: She had many mischevious ways and seem to be laughing over each prank and she could pull them. I think dogs do laugh.
Sadly she is now paralized but very alert and still barks if anyone approaches the house.
We have about 9" of snow and still falling.I dread when she goes as I must bury her myself.
I often have called her my angeldog sent by God.If you are blessed to find a doberman/boxer/bull combo dog, don't pass the opportunity to be adopted as I am hearing from others in the midwest states that it is a new breed and perhaps the smartest dog around.
I think God made dogs to be for our personal safety and in many cases a reliable companion and friend.
Thank you one and all for your prayers.

Darius, a bit off topic, but for what discipline is your Ph.D?

We had a very, very sad two days.

Yesterday we put our dog Jesse to sleep as he could no longer use his hind feet.

Today, our cat Toby died in recovery after surgery to remove a problem within him that affected his appetite and thirst to the point where he had lost a lot of weight.

We are hoping to see all our pets again someday.

im very sorry. im an animal person and i know how bad it hurts to lose them, even the ones that have only been around a few weeks and then are gone.

i dont know what God will do with our beloved pets, but i trust Him to do what is ultimately best for all.

This is the first time we haven't had even one pet in 26 years.

We are both going through a very hard grieving process at the moment.

i can imagine!!! actually, i dont have to imagine the pain. on occasion i have flashbacks of losses that still hurt when they come to mind.

Well, you would never believe what happened to us today!

Somebody came with two long haired cats from the animal shelter: a mother cat of just over one year of age with her daughter cat or kitten of just under one year of age.

This totally happened without our prior knowledge or permission.

We are presently trying to decide whether or not to keep them, as we didn't really want another pet this soon, as well as only wanted one short haired cat.

They seem to be quite timid of us and their surroundings at the moment.

we dont get what we want, but we get what we need? i put that as a question.

the kitties certainly need a home and someone to love/want them.

Right now they are obviously scared.

The mother is hiding under the couch.

The daughter isn't hiding, but is still scared.

We are wondering what their previous situation was, whether they were ever previously loved by somebody, or not.

thats pretty typical of cats, isnt it? mine is the typical scaredycat. there is only one other person she not doesnt hide from but actually goes up to and rolls around on her feet. that is the person who brought her to me. makes me wonder if there isnt something in her little kitty memory/smell.

i live in the country, but close to the road and hope she stays scared, and very close to home. she loves being outside, but sometimes life seems to get a little harrowing. one dog treed her quite regularly and im sure wanted to eat her. dog has been gone for quite some time, but now there are raccoons. the possums dont seem to scare her, but those raccoons.......:)

Our deceased cat Toby loved us from the very beginning and wasn't afraid of anybody, however, these two cats were abandoned by their owner and left in a box outside the animal shelter where they were discovered.

being in the country cats get dropped off here. there was a female who took a while to come up to me, but still doesnt really like me to pick her up. a male was dropped off and was afraid but within about 3 days was all over me. this third cat comes relatively close but watches very carefully. i dont think he will be coming very close ever.

We find that male cats are a lot friendlier than female cats.

Daryl,
I believe things happen to us according to our needs. Last year we were building a house, living in a travel trailer, had one cat that I had before we were married. He got killed by a snake or another cat, devestated us. Cheryl (who never had a cat before) got two kittens,Alli & Tori, rescued from a flood nearby. Three months later as I was installing fixtures in the house, I heard a screaming cat, it was a little kitten about 250 ft from the house. Toby is now 15#, the dominant male.
This year, end of May, as we were going to church on Sabbath, I saw a little white cat in the weeds, covered with fleas, eyes almost shut,thin and sick, doing great now, the male teenager! Rody is now #4.
Bindi came to us emaciated, very undernourished, worse than skin and bones. Cheryl got her to come to the shop in five minutes, she is doing great. Toby thinks she is weak, wants to stalk her.
Tuff is #6 he was in my lumber pile for a week, got above the spare tire of my truck, fell out on the road as I was going to town, finally found him again above the tire, he is going to be a big cat too.
Cheryl thinks all cats coming to our place need shelter, so the shop is for all outside night guests, mommys to be, food outside for ones not wanting in.
We have had more come around, have been fortunate to find them homes, God has blessed us with them.
I don't know about ALL my pets in Heaven, I will rejoice being there, with or without them. God has so much in store for me, I don't think it will matter if my pets are in my mansion or not.
God bless,
Daryl in TX

Daryl, I am so sorry you lost both of your "kids" so close together. I remember Toby. Most cats I've met are aloof, but Toby was special. I don't remember Jesse. But I know you guys are going to miss them terribly. Of course I believe you'll see them again in heaven. The Universe is plenty big enough for us and our pets. Please pass on my condolences to Beth.

PS - That's pretty wild two cats were dropped off at your house.

TX CC, I was wondering about the initials. I guess TX stands for Texas, and I'm not sure but I'm guessing CC stands Cats Cats. Ha!

Mountain Man,
Almost,,, the cats came afterwards.
CC stands for Christian Carpenter, hope people around here see it so they don't have to ask.
Update: Toby and the two older females were in the shop yesterday until we got home. Couldn't find Toby, finally saw hime laying on a pile of moving pads, had eyes matted, couldn't move. I stayed with hime in the bathroom all night, (it kept the wife from careflighting him to the nearest vet)(LOL), took him today to the DR. She called, said he broke a bone near the head of the femur. Oh well, Merry Christmas!!!
Daryl

We are hoping to see all our pets again live and well throughout eternity.

TX CC, too bad about Toby. Will he recover?

PS - If people around here care enough to ask what your initials stand for I hope it doesn't bug you too bad. This forum is unique in that most of us care about people.

Mountain Man,
Toby went to the DR today to take out his stitches. He had surgery to remove spurs or splinters in the bones that were broken. They scraped the ball and the socket of his pelvis to clean out all pieces. He limped around for a week, now is doing quite well.
It does not bother me at all to ask about initials that I use. It might be a ministry to someone "out there", never know!

Surprisingly, this thread hasn't come up with the text in scripture that...well, I will just quote it, and see where the discussion wanders next.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I think this text is talking about a special breed of dogs that we definetly don't want with us in heaven.

More likely a certain breed of people.

How do you know? To whom should it apply?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

To whom are you addressing your question, Elle, me, or both?

I wasn't addressing the question to anyone here on the forum, but just what I think the Bible is saying. What do you think it's saying? Do you think it's talking about you? As far as I know you Daryl...far from you. I don't think it's referring to man's best friends either.

As I previously posted, I also don't think it's referring to man's best friends.

I think 'dogs' in this context was used for sexual perversions, I will see if I can find it.

According to the Commentary(SDA), it says" A figure for a vile, shameless person. In Phil 3:2, the commentary says to call one a dog was a strong expression of contempt.

this is only my thought ,it may not be in line with sop,i dont know ,it would be intresting to find out what she says ,
my thought and answer to someone once ,greiving ,i said this"God is going to give us the desires of our hearts""
whos to say we wont have our pets remade by our Lord,he can do that just as easily as he made them at 1st, "eye has not seen"
nor ear heard" God has great things in store for us ,i woulndnt be surprised by him restoring a favorite pet ,as they have no consceince,or moral wrong doing ,they dont go to heaven,BUT WHOS TO SAY HE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO REMAKE A FAVORITE PET? IF WE ASKED HIM TOO? JUST BE ASSURED HE'LL WIPE YOUR TEARS AWAY,IM JUST WONDERING WHAT SOP SAYS?

After searching through the posts I did not see anyone giving the title of Wohlberg's book: Will My Pet Go To Heaven? It is a very good book and I give it away when I can. A friend of a friend of mine gives these books out to all the local veterinarians in her area from time to time.

I found the book quite good and filled with answers and he does come to the conclusion that our pets would be in heaven.

My verse that I think about in regards to God and our relationship with Him is: All things are possible with God.

If that be true, then He could and can restore all our pets that we have loved over the years. It would be hard for me to imagine God leaving out the very creatures that He created in the Garden of Eden and Adam named as his first job on day six. Genesis says:

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

From that day I believe from the beginning to today that is why we name our pets.

When I was a little girl on the farm I was told that we do not eat the animals that we name. It was a rule that we were to live by so that we did not get close to the animals that were food. Yes, when I was a little I did eat meat, but I was not a Seventh-day Adventist, nor less any other religious denomination growing up.

My mother died never accepting Jesus. Her Jewish faith taught me much about God, but she never embraced the Son of Righteousness that saves us all. Will she be in heaven? I do not know. Will my pets be in heaven? I do not know.

What I do know is that God wants our happiness to be complete and He gave us animals on this earth to enjoy. And because of this fact I believe the ones that were in our lives that we gave names to will be with us just like the animals in the Garden of Eden will be there with Adam and Eve.

In my days for over two years I have been with people who are trying to stop the shipping of American horses to Canada and Mexico to slaughter for human consumption in Europe and Japan. I am reminded of a verse in Matthew where it says about a sheep in a pit and on a Sabbath we are to help that animal.

I see our horses being in a pit of death crossing the borders to such inhumane torture, pain and death by the hands of the kill buyers and slaughter plants. It is horrible what is being done.

From this I have seen the dark side of our nature of the people who are in this business and if any of you have any desire to help on either side of the border help those that are trying to end horse slaughter in both Canada and the transporting of our horses to a cruel and inhumane death.

Currently there are two bills in the US Congress. S 727 and HR 503 both would stop the transporting of horses to Canada and Mexico. Please call your senators and representatives of your state to support these bills out of committee and voted on the floor.

Canada also has several groups trying to end horse slaughter there as well. You can find some Yahoo Groups called antislaughtercanada. Two plants have thus been closed down due to abuse and human health violations.

We are to be stewards of God's earth. He gave us dominion over the animals and that dominion requires us to care and protect the animals that have no voice of their own.

I pray that you all will take up a cause for the horses.

Hi Liane!

It's always good to see you here.

I only wish you came here more often.

I didn't realize that this was happening in Canada, therefore, I guess I will need to check this out further.

Hi Daryl:

Thanks for your reply. It is indeed a grave responsibility that God has given us to be in charge of His creation. We often can get caught up in spiritual things and miss the mark to care for His earth and His creation, whether they be people or animals.

As James says: 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

You see our faith is nothing without the works that God has entrusted to us to do. We can have all the faith in the world, but if we are not doing that which is required of us, our faith does nothing for us in the plan of salvation.

It is a balance that each one of us needs to seek God to answer for and allow Him to guide us in that balance.

There are so many needs out there, though, one must make a choice of which one and do the work that will help the most. I have chosen the horses, both domestic and wild to help.

Sharing this among my Christian family here and elsewhere I hope that there will be an awareness that will cause us to share in the work of saving the horses from such a barbaric and inhumane death through the slaughterhouse facilities.

I've always understood that our pets will be there, for we know that the Apostle Paul says that all creation travaileth under the curse, so therefore if the animals suffer under the curse why would He refuse to let the animals partake in the reward?

I have at the moment a gorgeous little hamster called cinnamon and if anything was to happen to I would be very upset. However I also believe that if our pets are not there then God has something better for us.

Better? As good, perhaps, but not better. He will wipe away our tears.

For the Biblical reasons expressed and defended against in the following forum posts: Posts #134588; [#134597]; #134602; [#134736]; #134758 and this blog post I (now) see that this view expressed by DebbieB exegetically is the accurate one. The indications in Rom 8:19-21 lead to the understanding that God will resurrect, at the very least, animals (=living beings e.g., Gen 1:24, 30). Indeed they were “innocently” made to suffer the effects of sin due to Man’s fall. Then, like humans, their (quite observably perceivable) “psyche” (aka “soul”) then will be purged/excised/expunged of all and any sinful traits and mentality.

Good points. Also the suffering and deaths of creatures is represented in the curse of the thorns. Did not Jesus wear the crown of thorns? So why do we think that his death for us is sufficient but his wearing the crown of thorns for them is insufficient?

What about the amalgamated animals? Did they themselves sin?

I substantively do not Spiritually make much, salvation-wise, of the “crown of thorns” itself here. I however see that a related, even if merely naturally related, implication is that in both cases it was thorns that made man suffer and indeed thematically represented the lost glory/kingdom of man. I.e., symbolic of the substitution of Crown that Man should have worn. So also on this point, it was further seen that Christ was made to associate with all of the hardship and humiliation that “befell” fallen man.

So if nature “fell” and “suffer” solely because of Man, then all that was needed to restore nature, including animals, to their once perfect and innocent state, was the redemption of man. So Christ’s sacrifice only had to focus on that aspect. So Mans’ suffering and humiliation would have been the object of this development, if it even was inspired at all, as it actually easily could be by God, i.e., purposely suggesting this to the Roman soldiers. (Matt 27:27, 28)

As amalgamated creations, they are scientifically just cross-breeds and so they already hereditarily had this falleness. It may be that God won’t honor those, apparently grotesque amalgamations, which may indeed be most non-natural (e.g., a dog with an eagle = probably producing a sort of flying dinosauric creature). Such amalgamations may contain inherent nefarious elements which make them naturally prone to be violent/destructive. (E.g., (apparently) the dinosaur-type creatures that were deliberately left behind at the Flood). I think God will either only save original breeds and perhaps non-inherently dangerous cross-breeds, particularly those within the same species of animal.

First of all who cares, we are looking at those which have had the ability to form a relationship with us. But they were killed out in the flood due to the havic they would have on life after the flood. When things are made right, one possibility is that maybe in this small universe God might look around for a small corner where he can squeeze them in. God is creative, both in restoration but also accomidation. For all I know God may plan a planet made of mostly dung and a few other nessisities that all the flys can enjoy.

I don’t see God as having, what actually would be “indulgence”, as part of His creation policy. I rather see that whatever He creates is simultaneously both functional/practical (i.e., effectively serving a needs-base purpose) and beautiful. There is really nothing of either sort in ‘a planet full of dung just for flies.’ All the flies that ever existed in this world will have plenty of work to do with the waste of the animals in the new earth, and with the planet probably literally no longer having any sea, thus automatically having 4X its current land area, all of these flies will have plenty of room to roam unnoticed about the earth. And if the redeemed are going to populate other planets in this galaxy, then some of these extra creatures could be taken along for this expansion.

By the way, relatedly, my view on marriages and new births in heaven, is that in the age when the 1000 year review/judgement will take place, the redeemed then will indeed be like angels in heaven (Luke 20:34-36). However, as I view things, when all of the GC questions and issues have been resolved, I am thinking that in the New Earth, and indeed for other uninhabited planets in this galaxy that God could easily make habitable for us humans, the redeemed will again be permitted to be fruitful and multiply to fill up both this earth and these other worlds.

Both NJL and I gave suggestions. If we can be creative, how much more creative can God be? So let's trust him and his creativity to make all right.

Now I am undecided but lean towards no more fruitful and multiply due to the fact that they would have to, like the unfallen worlds and angels, and us on the fallen world need to make a choice about God, I tend to believe in no more new beings. However I am open to the possibility of God showing them in review and our testimomy to help them in making their choice or what ever else God can use.

[That was actually my, i.e., NJK, comment] The danger I see here is that we must deem what God may/will do by what he has done, and I do not see any indication of such merely indulgent, on top of being quite repugnant and gross “creativity” in what God has done. A planet of refuse has no Biblical precedence at all to me. If fact, I see such gross and indulgent “creativity” only in the deprived minds of men who claim such things as art and do highly value them. Flies were created by God for a particular purpose, and they will find their full joy in fulfilling that purpose and not by having a planet of dung to feast on.



The issue of not having had a previous GC experience is indeed crucial to the assurance that the redeem will never want to go through this experience again. However when all of the GC facts are in following the Millennial review and judgement, the redeemed would be in the tangible situation of clearly, transparently and objectively telling any new born human of the futility of wanting and endeavoring to live a life, or even a moment outside of God’s will. It will easily be seen that God’s will alone provides true and perfect happiness.

(In relation to this, as I state in the last paragraph of this post (#131487) (and then further substantiate in several discussion follow ups to it), I see that all humans will indeed be still free in Heaven and if anyone should suggest and aim to pursue a sinful course, God will then have the fully approved authority to immediately judge them and effectuate the deserved punishment, which will probably be death.)

Apparently left behind? Really? How is it apparent? Is apparency up to each individual?

Original breeds? And that would be...?
Non-inherently dangerous? Arbitrarily determined by whom?
This implies that "dinosaur-types" (How is that determined? Some scientists have yet again think the Archaeopteryx is a dinosaur versus a bird), are amalgamations. Who determines such?

And how was it determined dinosaurs or amalgamated animals cannot form relationships?

Really? No havoc before the flood, but only those could cause it afterwards?

That's weird.

What is “apparent” to someone is indeed inherently, primarily in the eye/mind/perception of that beholder. Yet as there are claims of extinct dinosaur fossils today (I haven’t personally verified/studied those claims in depth), and these are said to be the only species not seen alive today or recent recorded/documented times, I am assuming that these are the ‘non-Divinely created, confused species’ which EGW says were left out of the ark. (3SG 75)



Didn’t you read my whole post?? I had indicated what I considered original vs. “cross/ed breeds.



Determined by the cross-breeded animals predominant, (post-fall) demeanor. An, e.g., elephant, though much larger than Man, especially by now, is not inherently dangerous, however an elephant that was genetically manipulated through cross-breeding, with, who knows, a tiger, may have gene that make it an inherent danger as it will then always be hunting after other flesh (vs. the elephants normative non-flesh diet). That’s just one of many possible “dangerous results from grotesque cross-breeding” which I believe most is how dinosaurs were formed.



Well perhaps more exhaustive and accurate scientific study and research needs to be done in this area, nonetheless, from what I have personally encountered on this topic, this is my (working) determination/observations/hypothesis, even theory.

Assuming. Ok, that's what I thought.

So, you have a non-dangerous elephant, cross it with a tiger, and you get something dangerous. That can only mean one of two things. Either the tiger was dangerous, your you can create something from nothing which is classic evolution.

Ok.


Which brings back to if crossings cause amalgamations, then dogs are one of the most crossed animals around and therefore, if assumed amalgamations, then they won't be on the new earth. It is my theory that amalgamations mean something else besides corssings and therefore we'll see dinosaurs on the new earth along with tigers, bears, lions, wolves, Gila Monsters, and even mamba snakes, although they may look slightly different.