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Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith #81682
11/26/06 10:07 PM
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Here is the direct link to this week's study:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06d/less09.html

Let the study and discussion of this week's lesson topic begin.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Daryl] #81684
11/26/06 10:10 PM
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The Memory Text says, "Now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me" (Genesis 22:12).

Didn't Abraham have another son before he had Isaac, as brought out in a previous lesson?

Then why is Isaac referred to as Abraham's "only son"?


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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Daryl] #81691
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Sunday's study has an interesting title, Lying Through Silence.

How does one tell a lie through silence?


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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Daryl] #81694
11/27/06 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
why is Isaac referred to as Abraham's "only son"?


Maybe Ishmael didn't count because he was ill-conceived.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Daryl] #81756
11/28/06 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
How does one tell a lie through silence?


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False speaking in any matter, every attempt or purpose to deceive our neighbor, is here included. An intention to deceive is what constitutes falsehood. By a glance of the eye, a motion of the hand, an expression of the countenance, a falsehood may be told as effectually as by words. All intentional overstatement, every hint or insinuation calculated to convey an erroneous or exaggerated impression, even the statement of facts in such a manner as to mislead, is falsehood. This precept forbids every effort to injure our neighbor's reputation by misrepresentation or evil surmising, by slander or tale bearing. Even the intentional suppression of truth, by which injury may result to others, is a violation of the ninth commandment. {PP 309.3}

Because of Abraham's suppression of the truth, God said to Abimelech, "Behold, thou art but a dead man." I would say that's an injury.

But what I find most interesting is what God said in Gen 20:6: "Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her."

Because Abimelech acted with integrity in the matter, God kept him from sinning. Why doesn't God do this all the time?


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Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: asygo] #81784
11/28/06 12:38 PM
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I found this interesting:

"Even the intentional suppression of truth, by which injury may result to others, is a violation of the ninth commandment." {PP 309.3}

We must consider if a greater injury results from telling the truth or from omitting it.

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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Rosangela] #81826
11/29/06 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
We must consider if a greater injury results from telling the truth or from omitting it.


In this case, murder vs adultery.

Are we in a position to make this determination?

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Jesus did not suppress one word of truth, but He uttered it always in love. {SC 12.1}


But then
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Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead. (Mark 9:9)

I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; (1 Corinthians 3:2)


Full disclosure is not always possible, or advisable. But does that excuse "white lies" now and then?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: asygo] #81834
11/29/06 10:41 AM
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R: We must consider if a greater injury results from telling the truth or from omitting it.

A: In this case, murder vs adultery. Are we in a position to make this determination?

Of course you misunderstood me. The quote says:

"Even the intentional suppression of truth, by which injury may result to others, is a violation of the ninth commandment." {PP 309.3}

Notice that the quote does not say, "by which injury may result to oneself," but "by which injury may result to others". So even if Abraham might be murdered, this wouldn’t have been a valid reason for omitting the truth if by this omission injury might result to others. Besides, the omission of truth must not be equivalent to a lie (white or whatever color).

Let’s exemplify. Suppose the police is persecuting Christians. If no one is at risk, you don’t need to raise your hand and say: "Hey, I’m a Christian. You must arrest me!" But suppose you are in a group of people and the police arrives and says: "Are there any Christians here?" Keeping silent would be equivalent to saying "No," therefore the omission of truth would be a lie. Or suppose the police says, "We know there is a Christian here. If this Christian doesn’t present himself, everybody here will die." The omission of truth would result in injury to others, therefore the Christian must reveal that he is a Christian, even if this results in injury to himself.

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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Rosangela] #81839
11/29/06 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Notice that the quote does not say, "by which injury may result to oneself," but "by which injury may result to others".


Actually, that is what I meant. Murder and adultery injure the perpetrator even more than the victim.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #9 - The Triumph of Faith [Re: Rosangela] #81841
11/29/06 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
the omission of truth must not be equivalent to a lie (white or whatever color).

Let’s exemplify. Suppose the police is persecuting Christians. If no one is at risk, you don’t need to raise your hand and say: "Hey, I’m a Christian. You must arrest me!"


I see what you're talking about, but I'm not sure I really understand the underlying principles.

How about Rahab?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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