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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: vastergotland]
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03/22/07 12:13 PM
03/22/07 12:13 PM
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Greetings Will, Cheri,
#1 He was in mourning for 3 weeks, and he stated that as a result he did not touch X,Y,Z for those 3 weeks
#2We are talking about meat eating not drinking.
To discuss Daniels character is not relevant. Claiming eating meat is a sin is relevant to this topic.
That's what we are talking about. Did he eat meat yay or nay? Can yo answer that Cheri.
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Do you believe that Daniel ate meat.
God Bless,
Will To my knowledge the topic of this study is "A Bible Study on Vegetarianism" though currently we are discussing our faith with regards to Daniel if he continued to eat flesh meat and began drinking alcohol. For me not to enter into the issue of mourning would mean for me to leave out a verse. Since mourning is Daniel's description of his mental frame of mind it must be taken into consideration because this continues to identify the moral and ethics of his personality. Also, it is Daniel that mentions both alcohol and flesh eating, therefore both should be taken into consideration when asking for discernment from the Lord. And I find no sin in discussing both. It is true, I do not believe that Daniel changed his diet from the time of his youth. Through prayer, study and supplication, the Lord has provided peace on this issue that Daniel did not eat flesh and did not drink alcohol in his daily dietary habits. I do not desire to debate on this issue, for I have given my understanding, and have given testimony to my faith. Have kept my heart and mind towards Christ Jesus. And have asked for the Holy Spirit to teach me. Will, clearly you have your faith and even perhaps conviction. Be in peace with it and be joyful in the Lord because when God wants me to know differently He will make it well known for He is a kind and considerate God. So therefore I suggest that if my faith does cause you pain and suffering pray for me that my eyes will be opened if you see them closed. 1 Corinthians 12:26 "And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it." Your Sister in Christ Jesus, Cheri
"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Cheri Fritz]
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03/22/07 12:43 PM
03/22/07 12:43 PM
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Greetings Thomas,
Taking of the passover lamb was type that represented Antitype, which is Christ Jesus. To take and eat was no sin but an obligation. For it was their benefit to comprehend how much of Christ Jesus they would need in their entire embodiment, just as today. For myself, I cannot compare the sacrifice to daily dietary requirements.
Intersting thought question for you: Do you know that when we take of the Lord's supper we are still taking of the flesh and the blood?
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri
"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Cheri Fritz]
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03/22/07 12:53 PM
03/22/07 12:53 PM
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Greetings Thomas,
Taking of the passover lamb was type that represented Antitype, which is Christ Jesus. To take and eat was no sin but an obligation. For it was their benefit to comprehend how much of Christ Jesus they would need in their entire embodiment, just as today. For myself, I cannot compare the sacrifice to daily dietary requirements.
Intersting thought question for you: Do you know that when we take of the Lord's supper we are still taking of the flesh and the blood?
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri Yes, I know that it represents the passover sacrafice of Jesus.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Tammy Roesch]
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03/22/07 03:11 PM
03/22/07 03:11 PM
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I see that as an outworking of the principle I was talking about. Obedience and disobedience are both a matter between the person and God. What is in your mouth is nowhere near as important as what is in your heart. If it is in your heart to obey God, you're fine; if it is in your heart to try to do something that is not God's will, whether by outright rebellion or by theological/intellectual gymnastics to make it seem OK, you're dead. Does everyone here agree? Personally, I think it could be dangerous to look at it like that, Arnold. I'm afraid alot of people could do alot of justifying, and eat pretty much anything, as they tell themselves that "their heart was right with the Lord"... Yes, it could be dangerous, but I see no way to avoid it. God has not seen fit to give each one of us a comprehensive list of dos and don'ts. Instead, He wants each of us to be attuned to His still, small voice. As we should all know by now, people do a lot of self-justification. Not just in meat-eating, but worse, in pride, self-sufficiency, arrogance. I know of "messengers of God" who can rail on someone for "gossip," but never realize that the information they have was gathered through the same means. I confronted one about it, and she replied, "I don't care what people say. My heart is right with God." We could wish that God would give such a one a list of what not to do. But God doesn't want computers to program. He wants people to lovingly reflect His character. And that requires a level of danger. I believe that if our heart is right with the Lord, there are certain things we just plain won't eat, won't drink, won't wear, won't say, etc, etc, etc. There still are some "black and whites" - not everything is all gray... Very true. But we must realize what makes something black or white. What God tells you may or may not have anything to do with me. OTOH, what God tells me is black and white for me.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Cheri Fritz]
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03/22/07 05:41 PM
03/22/07 05:41 PM
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Taking of the passover lamb was type that represented Antitype, which is Christ Jesus. To take and eat was no sin but an obligation.
Cheri touched on something in her post that I was thinking and wondering about even before I read her post on this. Although a special meal, such as we have at Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., I see this as an actual meal in which an actual lamb, flesh food, was eaten. On this special occasion, I would assume that Daniel also ate this flesh food meal?
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: vastergotland]
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03/22/07 05:56 PM
03/22/07 05:56 PM
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However, I would like to know how injecting meat and dairy cattle with this growth hormone gets it into eggs and chicken? Unless you are saying that they feed the chicken with beef... Since you asked! Apparently they do feed beef part to chickens! Though I wouldn't say that is the primary source of growth hormones for chickens. uneaten poultry feed, which can still contain ground-up cow parts, including spinal cord, brain tissues, eyes, intestines, tonsils and other risky tissues that transmit mad cow. This feed, though not meant for cows can easily be swept up in poultry litter which is then fed back to cows. http://www.sustainabletable.org/features/articles/dairy/ Poultry Feed: Poultry feeds are designed to contain all protein, Energy, Vitamins and other nutrients. Poultry feed is also available with several type of medications to prevent diseases. A typical poultry feed consists of following ingredients: Ground Yellow Corn Wheat middling Soy (44% CP) Corn Gluten Meal Barley Oats Wheat Meat & Bone (50% CP)Alfalfa meal (dehy) Fat http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:owMi...lient=firefox-a Chickens are given growth hormones too! The use of growth hormones in chickens (they now grow to maturity twice as quickly as they would naturally) is also a concern as the people who eat chicken consume the hormones as well. Some believe that the increasingly earlier onset of puberty is the result of the liberal use of such hormones, which are also found in other meats, as well as dairy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken#Issues_with_mass_production Growth hormones are fed to cattle and chickens in the United States to increase food production. Through the use of growth hormones, chickens go from egg to meat market in six weeks. We do not understand the impact on humans of eating this much additional growth hormone. The FDA and many physicians feel that since Growth Hormone is a protein, it is broken down in the stomach and is not of concern. Other people believe that it may increase the rate of growth of tumors. http://www.vhl.org/newsletter/vhl1994/94afdiet.htm Looks like the fish aren't safe now either! I assume that Will's in-laws serve wild salmon.  The debate on whether growth hormones should or should not be used for food production has become a very political issue. In 1989, the European Community (now European Union) issued a ban on all meat from animals treated with steroid growth hormones, which is still in effect. The use of steroid hormones for beef cattle is permitted in Canada. Countries within the European Union do not allow the use of the protein hormone rbGH, for dairy cattle. In 1999, the Canadian government refused approval for the sale of rbGH for dairy cattle, based on concerns about the health effects including mastitis in treated animals. Studies done so far do not provide evidence to state that hormone residues in meat or dairy products cause any human health effects. However, a conclusion on lack of human health effect can only be made after large-scale studies compare the health of people who eat meat or dairy products from hormone-treated animals, to people who eat a similar diet, but from untreated animals. http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/Diet/fs37.hormones.cfm
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Daryl]
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03/22/07 06:00 PM
03/22/07 06:00 PM
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Taking of the passover lamb was type that represented Antitype, which is Christ Jesus. To take and eat was no sin but an obligation.
Cheri touched on something in her post that I was thinking and wondering about even before I read her post on this. Although a special meal, such as we have at Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., I see this as an actual meal in which an actual lamb, flesh food, was eaten. On this special occasion, I would assume that Daniel also ate this flesh food meal? That thought had occurred to me also. Did they not also eat the bitter herbs with the meal?
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Cheri Fritz]
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03/22/07 06:12 PM
03/22/07 06:12 PM
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Taking of the passover lamb was type that represented Antitype, which is Christ Jesus. To take and eat was no sin but an obligation. For it was their benefit to comprehend how much of Christ Jesus they would need in their entire embodiment, just as today. For myself, I cannot compare the sacrifice to daily dietary requirements.
Yes Sister Cheri, The ceremonial obligation is quite different from the daily dietary. We should not confuse the sacred with the common. Rather I believe the shedding of blood at Passover would cause regret and deep contemplation for the contrite believer, as it typifies the death of Christ due to our sins. Thus the passover lamb would be slain and consumed with regret, reflection and a recognition of guilt. This would not be an act of appetite gratification, but rather remorse, as well as humble gratitude toward the Saviour. Gordon
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: gordonb1]
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03/22/07 07:34 PM
03/22/07 07:34 PM
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Greetings Brother Gordon, Yes Sister Cheri,
The ceremonial obligation is quite different from the daily dietary. We should not confuse the sacred with the common. Rather I believe the shedding of blood at Passover would cause regret and deep contemplation for the contrite believer, as it typifies the death of Christ due to our sins.
Thus the passover lamb would be slain and consumed with regret, reflection and a recognition of guilt. This would not be an act of appetite gratification, but rather remorse, as well as humble gratitude toward the Saviour.
Gordon Amen. Your Sister in Christ Jesus, Cheri
"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism
[Re: Cheri Fritz]
#86835
03/22/07 08:20 PM
03/22/07 08:20 PM
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Even though not a daily dietary, it is still considered the eating of flesh food, which, if a sin, wouldn't even be appropriate as a symbol.
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