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Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD #87663
04/07/07 09:34 PM
04/07/07 09:34 PM
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It is time to begin this week's discussion.

Here is the link to this week's study guide:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/07b/less02nkjv.html

Let the study and discussion begin.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87664
04/07/07 09:39 PM
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The Memory Text is:

 Quote:

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(2 Timothy 3:16, 17, NIV).

The key Thought is actually in the form of a question:

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From where does the Bible derive its authority?


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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87700
04/08/07 07:59 PM
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From the Sabbath Afternoon Section comes the following additional questions:

1- What does the Scripture say about itself?

2 - What claims does it make about itself and its origins?

3 - How did the Bible writers view other books of the Bible?

4 - And, most important, what does Jesus Himself have to say about the Scriptures?

Hopefully, this week's study will answer all of the above questions, and more.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87701
04/08/07 08:16 PM
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From Sunday's Section I read the following texts:

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2 Samuel 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spoke by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Ezekiel 2:2
And the spirit entered into me when he spoke unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spoke unto me.

Ezekiel 11:5
And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.
24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.

Micah 3:8
But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

What common thought is seen in each of the above texts?


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87740
04/09/07 07:53 PM
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From where does the Bible derive its authority?

I found this question interesting. Especially with all the "Darius" stuff going on. But it is an important question.

  • Why should we believe the Bible? Because it's from God.
  • How do we know it's from God? Because it says so.

That is obviously a ridiculous argument. But how do we get around it?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: asygo] #87748
04/10/07 12:23 AM
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I think God has backed up the "because it says so" with other type of evidence.

What speaks to me most on the evidence side is fulfilled prophecy.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87749
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Also, it isn't really "because it says so."

It's "because God says so."


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87783
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Yes, Daryl, for me also, I find that fulfilled prophecy is a type of evidence that I can relate to.

We also have many Biblical descriptions of scientific principles; the accuracy of the principles only helps to strengthen the authenticity and the Divine intellect of it's origins. For example the concept of heliocentrism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

Though the concept of geocentrism (the idea that the earth is the center of the universe) was promoted by the "universal church" for many years. It is not a concept found in the Bible. (We know that "universal church" doesn't find that it needs to follow scripture but makes it's up it's own "laws".)

The Bible states that the heavens "fix their rule over the earth," (Job 38:33) demonstrating that the heavens control the earth and not the other way around.

The early proponents (Nicholas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei) of heliocentrism (the earth revolving around the Sun) were all Christians.

Isaac Newton, in his famous scientific work, Principia, stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/virtual/reading/core4-04r06.htm

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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: Daryl] #87796
04/11/07 03:06 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I think God has backed up the "because it says so" with other type of evidence.

What speaks to me most on the evidence side is fulfilled prophecy.


What other type of evidence can we find?

Even the fulfillment of prophecy can be debated. For example, some say Antiochus Epiphanes is the Little Horn, while others say he is not.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #2 - The Final WORD [Re: asygo] #87798
04/11/07 05:35 AM
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 Originally Posted By: asygo
 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I think God has backed up the "because it says so" with other type of evidence.

What speaks to me most on the evidence side is fulfilled prophecy.


What other type of evidence can we find?

Even the fulfillment of prophecy can be debated. For example, some say Antiochus Epiphanes is the Little Horn, while others say he is not.

Perhaps for the person that believes that, say that Antiochus Epiphanes is the Little Horn, then could it be that to them it is a fulfillment of prophecy? Therefore could be considered evidence to them?

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