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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/03/07 02:39 PM
05/03/07 02:39 PM
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MM, I did not want to enter this discussion but you raised an interesting issue. Are you suggesting that anything that does not agree with what you think is adventist is not constructive? Where is it written that adventist interpretation is the standard of truth?
Last edited by Darius; 05/03/07 02:40 PM.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D. No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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05/03/07 08:45 PM
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Never mind. I guess it doesn't matter at this point. It is clear we do not agree as to why Jesus did not end the GC when He returned to heaven. The Great Controversy is not something Jesus has the power to end whenever He wants. If that were possible, He would have ended it long ago. It's not an arbitrary decision to end it. It ends when it ends. It's a real controversy. When God wins, then it ends. The only way for God to win is for the truth to be shown to all. Not all have seen the truth (specifically, the human race), so God waits until Christ's character is perfectly seen in His people, and the final message is given to the world of the character of God. (see COL 69, 415)It is also clear we do not agree as to whether or not God knew ahead of time if Jesus would fail or succeed on the cross. God knew ahead of time that Christ would fail or succeed.And, as to what causes sinners to die in the lake of fire, well, I'm still not sure what you believe. It seems to me you think it is the unveiled glory of God reacting with their sinfulness that causes them to suffer and die. If so, then we agree. Like a chemical reaction? In GC 543 it says that exclusion of the wicked from heaven is voluntary. The wicked do not want to be in heaven or have anything to do with God. Ellen White write:This is not an act of arbitrary power on the part of God. The rejecters of His mercy reap that which they have sown. God is the fountain of life; and when one chooses the service of sin, he separates from God, and thus cuts himself off from life. (DA 764)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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