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Weeds, plants out of place? #91226
08/09/07 05:35 AM
08/09/07 05:35 AM
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crater  Offline OP
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I have moved the discussion on weeds from The gardening forum to it's own forum.

Last edited by crater; 08/09/07 05:57 AM.
Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91245
08/09/07 07:03 PM
08/09/07 07:03 PM
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Dandelion greens before they blossom are good for eating.

I have eaten some, however, I am not as crazy about them as my wife is. \:\)

Once they have blossomed, for some strange reason, the dandelion greens are then no longer good for eating, so I have been told.


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Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: Daryl] #91313
08/11/07 04:03 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Dandelion greens before they blossom are good for eating.

I have eaten some, however, I am not as crazy about them as my wife is. \:\)

Once they have blossomed, for some strange reason, the dandelion greens are then no longer good for eating, so I have been told.

I believe that dandelions, and chicory are members of the sunflower family as is lettuce.

I believe that when these plants bolt or go to seed, they become bitter and not as tasty.

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91314
08/11/07 04:12 AM
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Why do we have weeds, thistles, and thorns?

"Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up."

Ellen gives some more insight:

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The Curse on All Creation.--All nature is confused; for God forbade the earth to carry out the purpose He had originally designed for it. Let there be no peace to the wicked, saith the Lord. The curse of God is upon all creation. Every year it makes itself more decidedly felt (MS 76a, 1901). {1BC 1085.5}

The first curse was pronounced upon the posterity of Adam and upon the earth, because of disobedience. The second curse came upon the ground after Cain slew his brother Abel. The third most dreadful curse from God, came upon the earth at the Flood (4SG 121). {1BC 1085.6}

The land has felt the curse, more and more heavily. Before the Flood, the first leaf which fell, and was discovered upon the ground, caused those who feared God great sorrow. They mourned over it as we mourn over the loss of a dead friend. In the decaying leaf they could see an evidence of the curse, and of the decay of nature (Ibid., 155). {1BC 1085.7}

(Rom. 8:22).--The sin of man has brought the sure result,--decay, deformity, and death. Today the whole world is tainted, corrupted, stricken with mortal disease. The earth groaneth under the continual transgression of the inhabitants thereof (Letter 22, Feb. 13, 1900). {1BC 1085.8}

The Lord's curse is upon the earth, upon man, upon beast, upon the fish in the sea, and as transgression becomes almost universal the curse will be permitted to become as broad and as deep as the transgression (Letter 59, 1898). {1BC 1085.9}

Tokens of God's Continued Love.--After the transgression of Adam, God might have destroyed every opening bud and blooming flower, or He might have taken away their fragrance, so grateful to the senses. In the earth seared and marred by the curse, in the briers, the thistles, the thorns, the tares, we may read the law of condemnation; but in the delicate color and perfume of the flowers, we may learn that God still loves us, that His mercy is not wholly withdrawn from the earth (RH Nov. 8, 1898). {1BC 1085.10}

God said to Adam, and to all the descendants of Adam, In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread; for from henceforth the earth must be worked under the drawback of transgression. Thorns and briars shall it produce (MS 84, 1897).
1086 {1BC 1085.11}

There is no place upon earth where the track of the serpent is not seen and his venomous sting felt. The whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. The curse is increasing as transgression increases (Letter 22, Feb. 13, 1900). {1BC 1086.1}

Amalgamation Brought Noxious Plants.--Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the Master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? how then hath it tares?" The Master answered, "An enemy hath done this." All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares (MS 65, 1899) [published in F. D. Nichol, Ellen G. White and Her Critics]. {1BC 1086.2}

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91317
08/12/07 12:02 AM
08/12/07 12:02 AM
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In these parts we have a noxious weed known as the star thistle or spotted nap weed. The farmers hate it, but of course there are those of us who make our living with honey bees who love it. It produces a nice light mild tasting honey. One mans weed is another mans way of making a living.

BTW if my bees stray off the property where I have them and get nectar from someone else's field does that make me a thief? \:\)

Redfog


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Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: Redfog] #91322
08/12/07 08:09 AM
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We have Yellow Starthistle growing where we live too. I understand it is a Mediterranean native that was introduced by bee keepers. It seems to like disturbed soils. They introduced an insect (I think it is a thrip) to help control it. We have it growing in a few places on our land. I haven't heard of any other use for it, then as a honey plant.

Redfog, as far as your bees making you a thief, you could look at it another way. The neighbors are getting "free" pollination.

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91324
08/12/07 01:15 PM
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Free pollination of a plant they don't want to grow there \:\) The star thistle (really spotted knapweed) we have has a pink flower. It tends to grow on sandy poor soils that are not that good for crops but when it gets into hay fields it mucks up the hay.

A lot of the neighbors near our 65 summer yards (we have about 1800 hives) thank us for having the bees there as it helps out their gardens. Only occasionally do we get complaints about them. My father was a avid, maybe fanatical, gardener and we always made sure there was a hive or two near his garden. He passed away now and we sure do miss his garden produce. It's hard for bee keepers to grow gardens because of the timing.

Redfog

Last edited by Redfog; 08/12/07 01:21 PM.

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Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: Redfog] #91325
08/12/07 03:30 PM
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So is the "star thistle" that you are refering to lacks the stiff sharp spines of the yellow starthistle? \:\)

San Francisco Magazine awarded Star thistle honey as “One of the 125 Best Things to Eat in the San Francisco Bay Area.”

Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: crater] #91327
08/12/07 07:17 PM
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They look somewhat similar but there are no spines on the knapweed. For several pictures go to:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=spotted+knapweed&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

I looked at some of your yellow star thistle and see the spines. Apparently both plants are great for bees but bad for cattle.

Redfog


If at first you don't succeed.....destroy all evidence you ever tried.
Re: Weeds, plants out of place? [Re: Redfog] #91337
08/13/07 01:58 PM
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crater  Offline OP
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Actually the knapweed doesn't look to bad. The flowers are pretty.

I see that the color is close to that of some alfalfa flowers, so it could blend into the hay fairly easily. I have gotten hay with the yellow star thistle in it before. I didn't like it but then I don't have horses.

From what I have read, apparently both plants are especially toxic to horses.

Last edited by crater; 08/13/07 02:00 PM. Reason: clarity
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