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Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE #93765
12/23/07 02:50 PM
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This is our final lesson study not only for this quarter but also for this year.

Here is the link to the lesson study material:

http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/07d/less13nkjv.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Daryl] #93766
12/23/07 02:54 PM
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Memory Text: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46, NIV).

Such a crucible that the Lord went through for us!


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Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Daryl] #93767
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The Sabbath afternoon section spoke about risk.

The teachers portion of the quarterly has a few interesting questions about that, which I want to ask here:

1 - What was the nature of the risk taken by God in creating humans with free will?

2 - Did free will mean that the Fall was inevitable?

3 - What was the risk of Christ's attempting to redeem us?

4 - Could Christ have failed?

5 - What would failure have meant to Him and to us?

6 - Why did the Fall make Jesus Christ's mission necessary?

Some of these questions are definitely loaded questions, as has been demonstrated from other topics here at MSDAOL.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Daryl] #93781
12/24/07 07:29 PM
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I think Tom and Rosangela will like this week's lesson.

No, free will did not make the Fall inevitable.

Did God know in advance that the Fall was going to happen? The lessons says He did.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: asygo] #93784
12/24/07 07:58 PM
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Not having yet read any of the lesson, I am wondering how the author will mess up one or another concept this week.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: vastergotland] #93786
12/24/07 10:24 PM
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 Originally Posted By: västergötland
Not having yet read any of the lesson, I am wondering how the author will mess up one or another concept this week.


What are your expectations?

Merry Christmas to all!


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Johann] #93788
12/24/07 11:19 PM
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Maybe too high.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: asygo] #93799
12/25/07 06:53 PM
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 Originally Posted By: asygo
I think Tom and Rosangela will like this week's lesson.

No, free will did not make the Fall inevitable.

Did God know in advance that the Fall was going to happen? The lessons says He did.

If free will didn't make the Fall inevitable, and I am not saying that I disagree with you, then what did?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Daryl] #93801
12/25/07 07:08 PM
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Must something have made it inevitable? Sometimes things happen without having to do so by nessecity.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study # 13 - Christ in the CRUCIBLE [Re: Daryl] #93814
12/26/07 06:17 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
 Originally Posted By: asygo
I think Tom and Rosangela will like this week's lesson.

No, free will did not make the Fall inevitable.

Did God know in advance that the Fall was going to happen? The lessons says He did.

If free will didn't make the Fall inevitable, and I am not saying that I disagree with you, then what did?

I don't know that it was ever inevitable. But if I had to choose, I would say distrusting God's love. Here are the steps Eve took:
  • distrust God's love
  • doubt God's word
  • disobey God's command

We do the same thing today.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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