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Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97222
03/23/08 02:46 PM
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Does God wink at sinful behaviors (in the specific people I dscribed) that offend ordinary people, that cause them to conclude Christianity is a joke, that cause them to despise the Gospel?

Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97232
03/23/08 03:41 PM
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There is no evidence J&W had the spirit of prophecy. I doubt Tom claims J&W had the spirit of prophecy like Ellen White did, or like Moses, David, Peter, or John did.


Ellen White said that Waggoner could teach rbf better than she could. The person to whom she said this, a delegate of the 1888 GC session in Mpls., was surprised, and she responded:

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Yes, the Lord has given him special light on that question. I have been wanting to bring it out more clearly, but I could not have brought it out as clearly as he did. But when he brought it out at Minneapolis, I recognized it.


Ellen White recognized the light which God sent to us through J&W. She never claimed to have that light. She said, to the contrary, that had J&W not brought that light, we would not have had it, unless God sent someone else to bring it.

The Spirit of Prophecy is just one of the gifts that God has for the last church. A tremendous gift, indeed, but not the only gift. We do God, and Ellen White, a disservice if we pay no heed to truth which God sends our way simply because Ellen White did not write it; she certainly never intended that.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97233
03/23/08 03:44 PM
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Tom, you've presented polygamy as proof people can ignorantly violate the 7th commandment. You also seem to think it disproves what I've been saying about ignorance and the last 6 commandments. I agree polygamy violates the law of God. But you have yet to prove which commandment is violated. You assume it is the 7th. Where is the proof?


It's hard to believe you would ask such a question. I'll make a thread out it.

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Again, what about the law that required a brother to marry his brother's widow? It led to polygamy, right? Is it considered "polygamy" when God ordains it? Likewise, was it considered "incest" when Adam's kids married each other?


I pointed out several times that, according to EGW, God never sanctioned polygamy even once. Did you agree with this? Or was she wrong about this?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97241
03/23/08 05:39 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
 Originally Posted By: västergötland
 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
 Originally Posted By: västergötland
Likewise, is it not so that we do not need Ellen to interpret the bible? That everything Ellen taught about it that is correct is available to us in the bible?

True. Nevertheless, Jesus thought it was necessary to give us the spirit of prophecy through Ellen White. There must have been a need, otherwise, He would not have bothered, right?
And when Tom says the same thing about J&W?

There is no evidence J&W had the spirit of prophecy. I doubt Tom claims J&W had the spirit of prophecy like Ellen White did, or like Moses, David, Peter, or John did.
I guess that would bring it back a full circle to the question, what is the Spirit of prophecy.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: vastergotland] #97249
03/23/08 07:03 PM
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Tom, I am reposting the following question because you haven't answered it yet. What you posted above is not an answer.

1. Again, what about the law that required a brother to marry his brother's widow?

2. It led to polygamy, right?

3. Is it considered "polygamy" when God ordains it?

4. Likewise, was it considered "incest" when Adam's kids married each other?

Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: vastergotland] #97250
03/23/08 07:05 PM
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 Originally Posted By: västergötland
 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
 Originally Posted By: västergötland
 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
 Originally Posted By: västergötland
Likewise, is it not so that we do not need Ellen to interpret the bible? That everything Ellen taught about it that is correct is available to us in the bible?

True. Nevertheless, Jesus thought it was necessary to give us the spirit of prophecy through Ellen White. There must have been a need, otherwise, He would not have bothered, right?
And when Tom says the same thing about J&W?

There is no evidence J&W had the spirit of prophecy. I doubt Tom claims J&W had the spirit of prophecy like Ellen White did, or like Moses, David, Peter, or John did.
I guess that would bring it back a full circle to the question, what is the Spirit of prophecy.

The quote is starting to look like a bulls-eye, eh. You're right, we're missing the target, we need to aim better.

Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97259
03/23/08 11:47 PM
03/23/08 11:47 PM
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Impressive job nesting quotes.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97300
03/25/08 01:39 PM
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Tom, here is the beginning of another nest.

 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Tom, I am reposting the following question because you haven't answered it yet. What you posted above is not an answer.

1. Again, what about the law that required a brother to marry his brother's widow?

2. It led to polygamy, right?

3. Is it considered "polygamy" when God ordains it?

4. Likewise, was it considered "incest" when Adam's kids married each other?

Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Mountain Man] #97318
03/25/08 05:42 PM
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Regarding 1 through 3 , I have been responding to your questions by pointing out that EGW said that polygamy was not sanctioned by God even once.

4 is a separate subject. You can start a topic on it if you wish.



Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Can sinning be overcome.... [Re: Tom] #97366
03/27/08 12:57 PM
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And again you have failed to answer to the questions. Or, are you refusing to answer them? If so, no problem. You are entitled. But it would be nice if you answered them.

Are there times when Jesus doesn't consider it polygamy, times when He doesn't consider it incest? Are there times when permitting polygamy isn't sanctioning polygamy?

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