Why do you think that? Is it because I see sin rather matter of factly? Becasue I do. If you know it's wrong to do something, and you do it anyway, you've sinned. And that's wrong, on many levels. Even if you ask for help from God, and you continue to do whatever it is, you've sinned, and that's not the way to heaven.

I think it's wrong for people to just ask for forgiveness, and yet do NOTHING about what's wrong. I don't think God wants us to just "say" we are doing something about our sinful ways, He expects us to do better than that. If it was just words and thoughts that mattered, this would be a very different situation. We must make physical changes in our lives, stop doing things that we KNOW are wrong, stop hurting the One who can help us the most.

I guess I'm a little upset that so many good people try to be a better person by "saying" they are changing their sinful ways, and yet not really seeing the big picture. I think God has an expectation that we be better than that, to really make a change, not just talk about it,or feel bad about our actions. There are physical consequences for those who sin against God, so we must make physical changes to NOT sin.

Sorry if I'm a little hot under the collar today, or if I come across that way. I don't mean to be, and I'm doing something about it. I know this is a sin for me, and now I'm doing something about it. It's a way to vent, to find the real problem, and make a change. You see? I'm taking care of me, I've asked for Gods help, and He has given me the power to be a better person. I don't want to sin, I work with the Lord to live as He has instructed us to, and I'm getting better already.

F2B: You see? I'm taking care of me, I've asked for Gods help, and He has given me the power to be a better person. I don't want to sin, I work with the Lord to live as He has instructed us to, and I'm getting better already.

MM: Amen. But how do you define sin and righteousness? Why did Jesus have to live and die? How do you define the great controversy motif? What is God trying to accomplish with the plan of salvation?

Sin= breaking Gods laws\
Righteousness= being under God's umbrella

Jesus had to live and die to save our souls.

God's plan for salvation is to save as many souls as are willing to repent, and take Him as our Lord, and no other.

F2B, do you have inspired references to support what you just posted? Where does it say sin is breaking God's laws? Where does it say righteousness is being under God's umbrella? Where does it say Jesus had to live and die to save our souls? Where does it say the plan of salvation envisions Jesus saving penitent sinners who worship none other than God? And, what about the great controversy motif? How do you define it? What are your inspired references?

Sorry, don't have any. I guess I'm wrong because I can't point to a book and show you where others have said this or that. I think then you could make the argument that Jesus was wrong too? Did he point to books and show people where these ideas came from? I know you want me to point it out, underline these ideas on paper, but I won't. If I have to show you in a book to get to heaven, then I guess I'm not going. The above items are pretty clear as they are. I think most anybody would agree that to break the law of God is sinning.

I don't have "inspired references" and I don't think I need to have any. I think there's more to knowing God's character than ONLY reading it in a book. How do others who will be saved, but have NEVER seena bible, or anything by SOP? Is it from knowing the character of God? Or will they not be saved, just because they can't quote some text?

I'm pretty sure that you could easily provide all the exact pages and phrases for the questions you've asked above. And if you need those pages and phrases, by all means, use them. But currently you are making me feel bad just because I can't point them out in a book. I don't think I'm wrong for loving God, and that's my inspiration.

F2B: But currently you are making me feel bad just because I can't point them out in a book. I don't think I'm wrong for loving God, and that's my inspiration.

MM: Feel bad if you need to, but the fact is you don't want to prove what you believe from the Bible or the SOP. Why not?

Jesus never said "go with your gut feeling". Instead, He said something entirely different. If you take the time to read what He said about it, you wouldn't be so unwilling to base your beliefs on a "thus saith the Lord". At least, I hope so.

PS - Yes, there will be people in heaven who never heard of the Bible or the SOP. But this doesn't apply to you, does it? You are fully aware of both, as such God holds you accountable to know it and to show it. Otherwise, the following applies to you - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee."

hello friends yes i believe that we must strive to get the same character that our dear Lord has and yes its possible.we will strive and strive till the day of the Lord has arrived its a continual thing,but we will get there,but on our way there let us tell the strangers and family about our love for the Lord and what he has done for me and you.when we look in the mirror and truely see ourselves for what we really are it must make us wonder how Jesus really do love us.but thats the love he has for us and its the love that we must have and give to all others no matter what.do you know what i was brought up a sda but it was not until this january that i really found truth and love in God,why because i wanted to do what i wanted.and i was bad really bad.ive broken everything in the law in facti believed i was has bad has satan himself.then for some reason this january something happened to me in bed one night,i broke down and i really mean broke down.i could not stop crying for ages.and i prayed for help.from that night my life is one for Christ and all sinners who i talk to.i feel free really free.i do not even think about my past,its like Jesus said i love you and forgive you all your iniquities,work for me.and thats what i am going to do.so look to that other person who is without Jesus and tell them do not feel afraid.let us praise the lord all the time,in fact since that night thats all i do everytime i awake or walk the streets i pray and talk to Christ.thanks for your time .

Lindax, that you so much for sharing your testimony. It makes my heart sing to know you are living for Jesus with all your heart, mind, body, and soul. Congratulations.

I do believe that Jesus did point to "books" (the Old Testement Scriptures)

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

fun2believe, A few more things regarding your comment, "I think then you could make the argument that Jesus was wrong too? Did he point to books and show people where these ideas came from?"

From my study, I find your comment to be in error or perhaps you are just asking a question? or I am not understanding it correctly.

Do you not agree that Jesus is our example? Should we not follow his example, and be able to give a simple thus saith the word of God?

Remember that when Jesus was in the wilderness tempted by satan, Jesus answer was, it is written.

The subject of Christ's teaching and preaching was the Word of God. He met questioners with a plain "It is written." "What saith the Scriptures?"